XL Bully attack | 8 year old boy seriously injured

[ThisOldThang]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolboy-8-seriously-injured-after-28610020

"A schoolboy is in a serious condition in hospital after being mauled by what is believed to be an XL bully.

Merseyside Police were called to Wadham Road in Bootle just after 5.20pm on Saturday following reports a dog had bitten an eight-year-old boy to the head in the communal area of flats nearby.

The boy was rushed to hospital with serious head injuries and required emergency surgery. He remains in hospital in a serious but stable condition."

IMHO the ban doesn't go anywhere near far enough and all XL Bullys need to be put to sleep.

AIBU?

@TheWorldisGoingMad fgs, she says her NDN (next door neighbour) got the pup. Not her.
Jeez sometimes I really fear for reading standards in this world. People can't be bothered to take the time to read a few lines properly before storming in with accusations.

There is literally a news story about people getting injured and their dogs killed almost daily at present by these things.
And of course they're still out unmuzzled and being bred and sold, people do what the fuck they want and there is almost no enforcement.
There will be more deaths to follow, probably of children.

there’s no utility or social good in pet dog ownership.

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying there are many pluses in dog ownership for the realisable owner and healthy, happy dog but you will never understand this.

XL bully's aren't pets though. They are bred to fight and kill and need to be removed. I've said this clearly. But extending bans to all dogs is just your own irrational overwrought hatred showing and undermines your case. Dogs, normal pet dogs, are here to stay.

You’ve misunderstood me. I’m saying pet dogs aren’t a communal benefit, unlike trains, roads or electricity. We can’t generally benefit from your dog. The benefit you get from your dog is yours/your family’s alone.

I just want pet dogs to be back to the place they always were: animals kept for amusement for their owners, but controlled so that they cause the absolute minimum of nuisance to anyone else. It’s not much to ask.

Risk from pet dogs is never acceptable. If Alsatians, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Cane Corsos and the like fill the XL gap for feckless owners then, yup, ban the fucking lot of them.

I wouldn't dream of comparing you to a dog.
Most dogs are far more noble and generous of spirit than you seem to be

Brilliant!

Omg that's horrific. That poor young girl.

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That’s really not ‘brilliant’. It’s foolish.

You have no idea what ‘spirit’, if any, a dog has. Your dog may as well detest you as love you. You have no idea. A dog can’t speak. That’s why the sadder sort of dog lover clings to dogs instead of humans: a dog can’t tell you you’re a wreck. They just want their dinner and a good shit, and you give them the opportunity for both.

I know a lot of people with dogs, and and I know a few people with horses.

The people who were put in hospital by their pets were the horse owners. One person ended up having several ops to repair her face after her horse kicked her.

Terrifying!!
Thank god we dont have to run the gamut of horses as well.
(not that horses are especially analogous with pitbull type dogs)

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying You have no idea. A dog can’t speak.

Showing your ignorance again. Dogs and owners can communicate brilliantly - body language, expressions, energy levels, and many more. Being in tune with a creature that loves you is a great bond.
If you keep hating dogs, you'll never know how amazing the relationship can be for both sides.
I'm going to ignore the silly dig about people who own dogs being "wrecks". That's not even worth a reply.
Dogs have emotions, and many are highly intelligent, they are not as simple as "shit, eat, sleep". That's cats.

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@FasterthanaButteredOtter

Dogs have emotions, and many are highly intelligent, they are not as simple as "shit, eat, sleep". That's cats.

Now don't spoil your reasonable comments about dogs by making silly ones (I can't tell if you were being tongue-in-cheek) about cats!

"Anyone who is too stupid to ignore those signals deserves to be taken out of the gene pool, frankly."

So, anybody that can't read/understand the warning on the vests/leads such as adults with learning difficulties, people that don't speak/read English, young children, the visually impaired, etc, all deserve to be taken out of the gene pool?

Wow.

You're really not too bright or nice are you?

Send the owners withe dogs! Twofold win!

Bet cat post person got XL bully!

People with attitudes like that are the dangerous dog owners. They think a vest and lead exempts them from responsibility.

https://www.yellowdoguk.co.uk/store/I-NEED-SPACE%E2%84%A2-Dog-Vest-p33141095

If you keep hating dogs, you'll never know how amazing the relationship can be for both sides.

I've honestly lost count of the number of people I have met who have not wanted a dog, fought against having a dog, but then caved in due to family pressure, and have then been the one who has most fallen in love with it when they've got it.

All animals have a much deeper emotional life than we give them credit for, and dogs in particular exhibit a degree of empathy which is rare even among other members of our own species.

(LOVE your username BTW @FasterthanaButteredOtter )

That doesn’t exempt you from liability if your dog attacks someone. I’m a dog owner and automatically give all dogs space but you don’t have a right to space, even with the jacket.
You need to ensure no human ever gets close enough to your dog. It’s not the human’s responsibility- it’s yours. Dog ownership is amazing and rewarding but humans deserve to be kept safe.

I'm very bright, as it happens, and have never claimed to be "nice".

And none of my dogs has ever bitten anyoneexcept possibly Mr Viper who was bitten breaking up a fight when two another dogs (border collies) attacked ours. And we have no idea which dog bit him in the melee - could have been ours, could have been one of the others.

You are deliberately twisting what I have posted. Is that just because you can't fault that I keep my anxious dog safe and under control? Seems that you are the one who is "not very nice".

Or perhaps you don't understand - and you are the "not too bright one".

People with attitudes like that are the dangerous dog owners. They think a vest and lead exempts them from responsibility.

Don't be stupid @Tahini.

It is because I take full responsibility for my dog that I take these precautions. If you think I'm such a dangerous dog owner, ask yourself who you would rather come to sit next to you on a bus with a dog; me or the tw@t with an XL bully.

There are people on here who would demand that all dogs were shot into space, and if that was done would complain that they were interfering with their internet reception.

I'll add a bell and start shouting "Unclean" as I walk the dogs.

That should do it.

How do you ensure that no human ever gets anywhere near your dog?

I'm always open to suggestions from Great Minds such as yours.

Edit for spelling. Always fecking spelling

Oh just change the law. Dogs that bite to be pts. Owners to have insurance, strict liability for any damage or injury, and muzzling in public. Fines and big ones for owners, suggest a nice earner for the police in the park. Death or injury inflicted by dogs to be graded in law akin to human crime. These animals are someone's property and should be trained.

Just regulate the hell out of owning; it's clearly at that level. Ok there are reasonable owners but they are outweighed by idiots.

@Emotionalsupportviper

You've said:

1. You only muzzle your unstable/aggressive dog to stop it eating shit, which suggests you wouldn't bother with the muzzle if your dog didn't eat shit.
2. Anybody that ignores the vest deserves to be taken out of the gene pool.

You're an irresponsible dog owner. It's as simple as that.

From what you've written, you very much strike me as the sort of person where everything is always someone else's fault, isn't it?

Yes, Thang.

I am totally responsible for other people's kids, other people's dogs, and other people's stupid opinions, but I refuse to recognise that fact and blame the parents, the breeders and the idiots. I probably caused global warming and here I am letting everyone think its due to fossil fuels.

My dog isn't unstable OR aggressive. She's frightened. Is leashed, never leaves my side, and if people leave her alone just ignores them. If they don't leave her alone, she tries to get away - behind my legs, under my seat etc. That's not aggression, nor instability. But some people will try to "be friends", because "dogs love them". And BTW - wearing a muzzle has the same preventative effect whether it's to prevent aggression or coprophagia.

My dog won't bite anyone - but someone else's might. And if they ignore all warnings, including owners saying "Don't touch her." why is that the owner's fault?

As Judge Judy says "You can't fix stupid".