To think that people who agree with VAT on private school fees but not on university fees, are hypocrites?

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If Labour add VAT to private school fees, they should also add VAT to university fees. Or no VAT on either. The principle and rule, should be the same.

Why is only private school education being platformed. I think we all know why.

My DC went to universities where a large proportion of students were from public schools. Most said their parents voted for it and everyone they knew did too. They weren't going to suffer the consequences either as had eu passports anyway. A friend of mine whose children went to an expensive boarding school said the same thing. The idea that the well off and right wing were mostly against it is not true at all.

Also, whereas Brexit cannot be turned back, charging VAT on private school fees could be if it doesn't work.

I’m not sure that treating children’s education as some kind of experiment is something that a civilised society should be doing.

Kids, indeed. This is a family forum and it's astonishing how little concern some posters have for others' kids.

If ANY of your kids are up for a hard time I'll stick up for you all nonetheless.

Look @wombat15 - if private school is only 6-7 per cent then you simply cannot using very basic maths blame Brexit on them!

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I prefer statistics and proof myself rather than what my kids friends parents said they did.

Are you saying that for every 1% of students that leave private education, 1000 teachers will lose their jobs?

if we just look at secondary school age, that's 1000 teachers losing their jobs for 6200 students?

And it’s only 7% of children in private schools!! That’s what everyone keeps saying as if those 7% don’t matter! So surely us 7% couldn’t cause enough disruption to make life difficult for anyone….could we…?…….?…….?

It’s about 20% at 6th form level

That's just saying if revenue contracts then expenditure contracts and headcount contracts in same proportion. 1% of 100k teachers (and support staff) is 1k. Actually that's conservative because some fixed costs are actually "fixed" i.e. a greater proportion of savings has to fall on headcount or on supplies for the school to stay open.

70-75pc of expenditure is headcount.

All the more to join the protests then 😄

"Our kids might face a few minor difficulties, so I know, I'm going to make every other kids life a lot harder. That will show those working class plebs"

So, 1 teacher will lose their job for every 6 pupils who leave private education?

Our local grammar has 64% of it's intake come from private primaries. Maybe this will make life fairer for those that can afford to hot house their kids into passing the ``+

Oh, and MOD are able to claim VAT back on any purchases that includes it. Like most businesses. So they will be able to claim the VAT back on school places for their servicemen and women's children.

Most said their parents voted for it and everyone they knew did too. They weren't going to suffer the consequences either as had eu passports anyway.

Wombat
All these rich, public school parents who voted for Brexit but have eu passports?
From which EU country?
Hmm….

But you don’t mind making life harder for my children? One of whom didn’t cope in a state school due to lack of support and SEN! I don’t think having to leave all her friends and her support structure that she has known for 9 years is a ‘minor difficulty’! Absolute hypocritical!

But it's okay for posters to want to wilfully and spitefully sabotage state schools by faking taking places they don't want or need, is it?

You're just supposed to shut up. Your only function in society is to be a tax cow, and however much tax you're paying to subsidise the services you don't use for those that do....isn't enough.

Oh and I am one of those working class plebs! Our household income is about 40k take home. We have a 50% bursary and pay the rest ourselves. We can’t afford to buy shopping during the last week of every month and our house is falling down around our ears! But it’s that or have a child out of school and me having to give up work. These are the kinds of people this policy will hurt, not those wealthy Eton types! They will be fine!

Are you saying two wrongs don't make a right? I agree.

If you're saying we shouldn't act out of wilfulness and spite....maybe let's roll back to how this debate starts.

Surely the whole end game of this policy is to get everyone into state schools and get rid of private schools is it not? So you can’t moan when we apply for places!

You are exactly the demographic and your child’s needs exactly those that are going to be hit hardest by this ‘spiteful’ and Ill thought out proposal. This is so incredibly sad.

Theres a petition on the Change.org at the moment.
Its a bit bizarre tbh as it’s not like Labour is actually in Government but at least with added signatures it can be discussed in Parliament.

You can also
In your campaign do Freedom of Information requests from any school or Govn body to get information on impact and workability.

Where have I said that’s ok? Where has anyone said they plan to “sabotage state schools”? This VAT policy will disrupt children’s education. You cannot expect people to just sit back without any push back. To be fair, the idea of making applications to the state sector (which, actually, lots of parents will now need to do anyway) only adds an administrative burden to LEAs/schools. It doesn’t disrupt individual children’s education in the same way that the VAT proposal does.

This is the problem with this policy. It creates more division, not less.

Unfortunately many people fail to realise that there are probably more families like yours in private schools than there are very wealthy families using the likes of Eton.

Exactly! Our private school has lowish fees and isn’t academically selective. They welcome anyone and try really hard to offer bursary places to those who really need one. We have children in care, refugees, expelled children from elsewhere and many with SEN. 60% of the school are on a bursary of some sort. They let all local schools use their sports facilities and swimming pool free of charge and organise so many kids sports comps.

People need to stop being so blinkered!

‘The glee which some people have at the thought of children and teachers being disrupted is, quite frankly, appalling. I think their reaction speaks volumes about the type of people who are looking forward to this being implemented. It’s a truly spiteful proposal’

💯 Glee. That’s a great word to describe the reactions I’ve seen from some people about this too. People are gleeful that ‘rich’ people will have to pay more for an education they are already paying handsomely for. No consideration of potential implications.

Still here we are, human nature at its worst. Happy to see others pushed down because they dared to be more successful. What is it, something about chopping the heads off tall poppies.