To think that people who agree with VAT on private school fees but not on university fees, are hypocrites?

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If Labour add VAT to private school fees, they should also add VAT to university fees. Or no VAT on either. The principle and rule, should be the same.

Why is only private school education being platformed. I think we all know why.

Your posts suggest anyone who dares to disagree with your arguments cannot possibly be understanding you. They are arrogant posts. They lack credibility as they are evidently clouded by personal investment and emotion. The ruder your posts get, the less credible they become.

Now please stop the personal insults. If this is boring me, goodness knows how everyone else on the thread feels.

I wasn’t aware a lot of 6th form colleges were private
For those that are then there’s no reason they would be excluded by Labour as it’s currently all education up to 18.

You’re not the only one dreaming of rejoining the EU. 🙏 If we do we won’t be doing it with the previous privaleges we had so again it seems only right that we would be required to abide by EU policy. In theory.

For example I earlier asked "What's the objective evidence that what people are paid often isn't justified? Who decides other than the employer?"

You responded "contribution to society goes a lot further than that" and started on about NHS doctors and hedge fund managers and who is making the
biggest contribution to society.* *Total non-sequitur and totally irrelevant to the broader topic.

I wrote that a household on £100-150k paying fees could relatively easily choose to earn £50-80k and have more leisure. You responded "What parallel world does this actually refer to because it certainly is not reflective of the UK right now?" Obviously it's not reflective of the UK, it's reflective of the particular circumstances of "a household on £100-150k paying fees". And I mean obviously.

I'm not choosing to insult you and it's not even a matter of disagreeing with you. But the above examples (to put it mildly) wouldn't exactly stand out at 11+ English, they detract from the debate, and if you find it boring that we're at crossed purposes, it's your responsibility not mine.

Agree obviously
However you missed the point of my last post.
’ you would be charging vat with one hand then giving it back’

Tax on PS then PS get money back on maintenance and infrastructure upgrades etc ( they can even claim for the previous 10 years…..take with one hand then give it back

Tax on PS then approx 135,000 current students leave PS…..take with one hand then have to pay it back to educate those kids,( including the high % of SEN )

Tax on PS then parents reduce hours ( lots at our old school and MNs on other threads have said they would do this as they don’t need to make the money to pay fees anymore ) …..take with one hand but loose tax and NI payments with the other.

And on and on and on we go…….

So my comment on ‘ what’s the point’ …..is exactly that…….what’s the point taxing Unis will have the same outcome as taxing Indis. ( still waiting for Labour to prove the figures stack up, Many have shown they haven’t…..happy to wait though )

However if Labour are taking the so called moral high ground then they need to stick to that.
If they go against the rest of the World and tax education they they should just do that, and Universities are educational establishments.

As OP states anything else is just hypocritical

If you start treating education like a commodity to be taxed, then of course, in the future other forms of education may be taxed, especially by other parties. When and by whom is uncertain, but it it distinct possibility once you have opened the door to this form of taxation.

Exactly!
Its just a matter of time!
Im guessing not that much time either.

You've had posts deleted already for this type of behaviour. Your posts repeatedly launch insulting personal attacks at other posters who dare not to agree with you. Now stop. Your fixation is starting to creep me out.

I didn't miss your point. I just don't agree. Your calculations are all based on theory and wishful thinking. You don't know what impact it will have on numbers in private schools and certainly don't know that parents will reduce their hours as a result and that this would have a negative impact on tax.

And if you are worried about hypocrisy they would probably charge vat on private universities. Most universities aren't though.

I agree.
No one can obviously know the impact. We won’t know till at least a few years after introduction.

However.
Many experienced in this field have put out their research and resultant stats.
Labour hasn’t.

In the absence of anything from Labour I will read what is available at the moment and what is available at this stage points to a financial negative for the country.

Like I said on another thread, come September 24 we are making a freedom of information request to the local council to check if the grammars have more or less new pupils compared to previous year, coming up from private primary schools in Year 7 and checking how many more have joined into Year 12 from private schools. That will give us some indication of change of course. By then we will hopefully have had the manifesto too.

After that, we will be emailing our MPs requesting an increase in PAN for grammar places to make up for this change of course, if that does happen. Tory MP here for now. It is an anomalous move this tax, so we will be doing what we can for extra spaces in grammar schools here.

Actually that’s not so.
They have fallen somewhere in between private and public.
They are not owned by the State for example.
Heres one of many articles trying to decipher what they are…..but they are not public sector institutions.

Uni students already are already effectively taxed, their student loans (tuition and mtce) are subject to high levels of interest, bear in mind that graduates will on avg be earning more and hence paying... more tax!

Until the 2000s, Uni education was free and a mtce grant given, so that horse has long bolted.

So why should people who chose to send their kids to a PS be VAT exempt?

Quite how you'd tax "other forms of education" escapes me, you'd have to introduce charges first.

It’s worth noting that the Govn do consider them as private. Even though technically it’s far more complex than that.

Why should all education be treated as equivalent? Vat is charged on food considered to be a luxury but noone suggests VAT should be applied to all food. I don't see why the same type of rule shouldn't apply to education.

What about affects on non Grammars.
Im not trying to increase your workload but it won’t just affect Grammars, it will be all state schools.
PS.I might do the same here, it would be an interesting piece of research (even though my kids are no longer at school )

I didn't say they were public sector. They aren't totally private though.

Forgot to say we are also tracking the house prices locally for the two most sought after co-ed comps in the area to see if the house price inflation compared to the rest of the borough will increase there in the next couple of years. These measures will give us some idea as to change of behaviour.

What are you actually hoping to achieve from this or is it just interest?

My apologies, I thought you were

I have one child in private and 2 in state. The private school child was sent there as they were being physically assaulted day after day after day in state school. The school were very well aware of the situation, as were the local police but the school seemed powerless to do anything, and the police charging the little vermin with assault was totally meaningless. They were read a warning, and allowed back into school the very next day to assault again.

This is Scotland. The SNP have stripped away any powers to deal with violence by banning school exclusions - and the kids know it. In the private school my child attends the kids would get kicked out immediately if they were charged by the police of assaulting another pupil. That’s why it’s worth every penny + VAT. Any other parent who could afford it would do exactly the same in my situation, regardless of what their social conscience might be telling them.

So you should be 'punished' for chosing a private school?

Noone is experienced in the effect on charging VAT on private education. All research will be based on assumptions and modelling, probably by organisations that may possibly be a little bit biased.

The private school child was sent there as they were being physically assaulted day after day after day in state school.

That is so shocking and appalling - your poor child.
Presumably if there are no sanctions that can be applied to the bullies then this problem will get worse and worse.

University education was originally fully funded by the Tax payer
Labour introduced fees but the Tax payer still partially funds University education

Its not rocket science to see where Labour once again are moving with this policy.

Essentially Universities are selective and not available to all. If Only education available to all should be funded by the Tax payer then it would not surprise me that Universities will be Labours next target.

Initially Tax payer funding will be removed ( the country doesn’t have the money to pay for it as we all know ) and then possibly a 20% tax. If Labour deems it acceptable to tax education then yes Universities will be next in the firing line, any voter who agrees with this must accept they are opening a can of worms.