What do you think the sentence should be for murder?

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Obviously there are many different circumstances but after today’s sentencing for the awful crime committed I couldn’t help but feel anger when I seen the sentence - I feel this with most murder sentences. I’m going to get flamed on here but here it goes… I just don’t agree with rehabilitation for these sort of crimes, main reason being why the hell should they get that opportunity? Child murderers, multiple murderers, serial rapists - you’ve ruined countless lives so why should you get another chance at life? I know that’s a view most people don’t have but I feel strongly about it and don’t get me started about what sentence these monsters should be handed!

Bollocks. Their brains are developed enough to know it’s wrong to murder someone. Also see Jamie Bulger’s killers. Some people are just sadistic fucks who shouldn’t be released.

There isn't.
Beyond reasonable doubt and 'sure' are the same thing.
Judges have been told to stop using the term 'beyond reasonable doubt' because it causes confusion, and if they do use it they have to clarify that it means being sure.

Life for a life thats How it should be to many people killing people and the age is now just getting younger hear about 11-16 17 year old stabbing people it’s not right

I don’t believe it’s that simple. I think murder is a spectrum and every case should be heard on its merits. I’m not in UK, but here over 95% of women imprisoned for murder are subject to long standing domestic violence prior to the murder of the domestic abuser. It’s no good saying, she should just leave him, that often doesn’t work. Men will threaten to kill/hurt kids they will get part-time custody of as punishment if the woman leaves. Also many women here are killed after leaving men and getting restraining orders. It means nothing to men who breach the orders and seriously hurt or kill the women. Most of these women murder the abuser as an absolute last step out of sheer desperation, and often to keep the kids safe. Most of them get life sentences (20 years). I think that’s every bit as outrageous as the paltry sentences some murderers get when they do it simply for the thrill or because they are psycho’s.

I wish that prison wasn't such a bloody holiday camp and that there were better deterrents and reeducation/support to keep people from reoffending over minor offences.

The way I see this is that the sentence is to prevent the criminals killing again. If they are behind bars they are not killing innocent people. Life sentences for most murderers is probably the best. Depends on the circumstances of course. Some definitely deserve to die and it would be better for society if they are given the death sentence. However, it would never happened here.

Death sentence If proven by DNA. X

Agree with @SavingEveryLastPenny

@OpalOrchid i would give them and injection or better still the electric chair.

In which case they have made a mistake and should change it back, as being 100% is something you can very very rarely meet as it means there is no other possibility. No wonder conviction rates are so low.

Agree with this. We had 2 young lads where I live knocked off his bike by a drunk driver. She removed one of their bikes from under her car. Left them for dead and carried on to work in a care role. 1 survived unfortunately the other didn't make it. She served 4 years and made friends with a woman who murdered her children

I hate that they run sentences along side each other.

If we had the death penalty ( proven by DNA) we'd have a lot more room for people to be put in prison for smaller crimes ( may end up being a deterrent for them) also the streets would be safer.

It depends on the circumstances surely?

I do believe that some can be rehabilitated. However I do believe in the death penalty for the most violent of criminals/ serial killers and child sex offenders.
I don’t see the value of paying so much to keep people locked up for the rest of their lives.

... As for the murder thing, I think it depends in the circumstances, I absolutely do not believe in the death penalty but do believe that life should mean life behind bars and being properly punished, not able to earn money from royalties for example!

Semantics. If a 'minimum' of 19 years, and let's be honest most don't serve their full sentence, is sufficient after taking someone else's life deliberately then we have a broken system.

Just realised I misunderstood the sentence my friends murderer got, anyway I think it's too soon for me to be objective.

DNA is not the foolproof 'gotcha' that some people think it is. Please google to find out more, but for example, this was the first result I got:

https://daily.jstor.org/forensic-dna-evidence-can-lead-wrongful-convictions/

Over the last years the amount of planned, brutal and sadistic killings which have occurred and primarily of women and children, seem to be getting more frequent, and the deterrents are pitiful, so I'm starting to lean in the direction of bring back the death penalty.

In the U.S. it actually costs more for the state to put someone to death. due to all the legal processes needing to be exhausted. Obviously it’d be cheaper in a just take them round the back and shoot them regime. I’d have to re look up stats but it was circa a million dollars on average. Keeping a lifer in prison was comparatively cheaper by about 150k, people don’t tend to have long lives in prison.

This!! People are astonishingly naive if they think there is either the space or funding to just keep everyone with a murder conviction in prison indefinitely. Yes, some offenders cannot be effectively rehabilitated and this will be (hopefully) reflected in their parole hearing reports, hence they won't move on towards release. However those who respond well to rehabilitation attempts, psychological or otherwise, and show a reduction in their risk, will progress to lower cat prisons and eventually release (assuming they continue to show sick progress). I think that's the correct approach, given we don't have unlimited space in our U.K. prison system.

typo -

*such progress not "sick" 🤦🏼‍♀️

Death penalty has been proved not to be a deterrent. I think it degrades society as a whole to allow state sanctioned murder.

Sadly there is something in us as humans that means some of us are capable of this cruelty. Look at what numerous men did to those girls at the music festival in 7 October.

I disagree it’s getting worse - read your history books. It’s just we know about it now.

I think prisoners should be set to useful work. Seems mad to have able bodied youngsters sitting about.

i didn’t think I’d respond to this thread but here we go you’ve intrigued me.

The mother killing her childs rapist… does she have to have witnessed the rape herself? Be told by the child? She will surely have to prove that the rapist raped her child right? or is it after the rapist was convicted of the murder?

Also when does the child stop being a child? At 18? Or can my mother murder the man who raped me and nearly left me dead at 28? Or can she only murder the man who SAed me at 8?

A murder is a murder regardless. Idk what the answer is but the man who raped me being murdered because of me wouldn't make me feel better.

I wouldn’t be able to live with that.

I work in major crime and the amount of work that would go into proving/disproving a mysterious third party would be so thorough the case would be watertight by court.

I think prisoners should be set to useful work. Seems mad to have able bodied youngsters sitting about.

Every prisoner should have access to work and/or education. Prisoners who go to work have lower rates of violence, self-harm and re-offending. An ideal prison wing is one where almost everyone ha gone off to some form of purposeful activity.

If you deliberately plan to kill somebody, then you must stay in prison for as long as the person you killed, remains dead.
In 20 years time the person you killed won’t miraculously come back to life, so you must stay in prison with no parole or release date.