What do you think the sentence should be for murder?

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Obviously there are many different circumstances but after today’s sentencing for the awful crime committed I couldn’t help but feel anger when I seen the sentence - I feel this with most murder sentences. I’m going to get flamed on here but here it goes… I just don’t agree with rehabilitation for these sort of crimes, main reason being why the hell should they get that opportunity? Child murderers, multiple murderers, serial rapists - you’ve ruined countless lives so why should you get another chance at life? I know that’s a view most people don’t have but I feel strongly about it and don’t get me started about what sentence these monsters should be handed!

It does save the cost of incarcerating them for the next 30 years. Admittedly times have changed and convicts in the US can spend decades on death row rather than everything being decided quickly.

The reoffending rate is zero, I'd say that was the main plus. I hate seeing headlines of "freed to attack again"

Life meaning life. No getting out. A basic existence with no comforts.

Accidental death one sentence, deliberate murder one sentence

If you deliberately cause a death that is no self defence or person a is trying to kill person b and person c stops it, there can be no justification

So there does not need to be different sentences it should be life without parole

This 'oh they had a bad childhood and got into drugs' is crap they deliberately killed.

But if they do give less that life then it should 10 years but if you misbehave 15 so it increases

Or you will never be released unless you say where your victims are or what happened to them

I think it's ridiculous giving them special protection, the woman who murdered Star Hobson for example, who would care if she was beaten to death by her inmates, no one would miss her, and we'd probably think it's saving money.

Death penalty for me as I’m from a country that has this - but in this country - life with no possibility of parole.

Minimum sentence should be at least 30 years. Enough time for them to think about what they've really done.

The death penalty is barbaric.

Bad people kill other people against their will.

As for sentencing, every case should be judged on its merit and I think approx 20 year minimum sentence and WLO for the greatest affronts to society is about right.

Justice isn't about exacting society's vengeance

You do know that there have been a lot of miscarriages of justice where people were later found innocent don't you? How would you give those lives back?

So here are mumsnetters who time and time again state they have no problem with the death penalty

They would happily administer an injection/gas/hang these people themselves

Would they? They wouldn't even make it into the prison let alone anything else

Cavalier keyboard warriors!

But the death penalty is murdering someone else. How can we say murder is wrong - so to prove that we murder you. And then who is going to kill the person who then killed the convicted murderer... it makes zero sense, morally or otherwise.

Either murdering someone is wrong or it isn't.

Prison is meant to be for rehabilitation so logically putting someone away for actual life (until they die) goes against that. However, if someone has committed murder then their victim has lost their life so why should the offender have a chance to do what their victim didn’t. It is very complex really. We have prison to change peoples behaviour, reform and rehabilitation but, take Brianna for example, she will never go to uni, have a career, get married, have kids and the people who killed her will likely be out in time to achieve at least some of that. I don’t think Scarlett will be out at the 22 year point though.

Tell that to Derek Bentley’s family, or Ruth Eliss’

For those heinous crimes, ie child killers, sadists and serial killers. Death penalty after exactly 5 years from sentence - if irrefutable evidence. 5 years to know they are going to die.
Yes Id happily carry it out
Monsters just need to be put down and then the risk of them is zero

Very old antiquated evidence. Totally irrelevant nowdays

In a conversation sparked by a murder by two 15 year olds.

No you wouldn't.

Why? These people were executed under ‘antiquated’ law yet are some of the most recent examples of the death penalty in the UK because it was quite rightly stopped in the last century.

Derek Bentley: Someone who was executed who had a mental disability.

Ruth Ellis: An abused woman.

Both at the time considered absolutely appropriate to be killed for their crimes. Our views have changed.

It is wrong to say now we know everything and always get it right. We simply don’t. History tells us that.

Would you give a life to an abuse escaping woman who couldn't find another way to put a stop to it ?
Definitely - no one size fits all. If a psycho murderer with no remorse - I can't see how it's worth to take up a space in prison, death penalty for such cases. 20 years for most - that should be enough. Everyone has a background and motive.

"Many killers are just monsters who enjoy killing and have no remorse whatsoever."

So by definition will never get parole.

I don’t believe in rehab either.
In cases where guilt is absolutely irrefutable I don’t see the point in a custodial sentence. For the most heinous of crimes, vital organs should not go to waste…but really what’s the point in their existence. The cost to the public, their own mental well being. I mean we don’t kennel dogs for life do we?

I agree with this.

I think it depends on the circumstance.

Someone murdering a child? They should never see the light of day again.

A mother murdering her child's rapist? She should walk free.

The girl seems innately troubled, I can't see her ever being safe. The boy I could see has potential to be rehabilitated. I do think the fact their minimum will be before they are even 40 is horrendous though

Quite happy with the death penalty for cases where a judge has ruled the minimum sentence should be say 20 yrs. I don't see why we should remove someone from society and yet now be paying for this to happen when removing them completely is far cheaper and frees up space in prison for others.

Far to many who commit low-level crime that is a major problem for those it is commited against get non-custody sentences because the prison system is over-full.

Also totally disagree with the US death penalty system where from sentencing to execution take 10+ years. There is no point having it in that case.

Prison doesn’t work for rehabilitation. But when they’re inside it stops them doing it again.

I can’t see why that wouldn’t be enough.

Up the murder toll to 30 years. Unless the victim is very old (yes, of course that counts).

Make prisoners work for their keep - prison is horribly expensive for you and me, and they’re a lot better off in there than they would be on benefits.

No trial at all for mercy killings.

Make assisted suicide legal.