Naming convicted killers - Brianna

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...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

‘Underlying reason’? Really?

They have been named and pictured

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12889073/brianna-ghey-killers-unmasked-names.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR1XM3HF4rf1zHKxpDipLDgdcnqGr5PHqdr49OK_pmEnx3GSHFbew3zfMFA

People have known their names around here for ages. Did I read somewhere that is was the mother of the female murderer that rang the police about her daughter?

Some people are just born sick individuals, regardless of family

I remember when the twilight killers were all over the news. At first they weren’t named, but all of spalding and surrounding areas already knew the names. The gossip train worked quickly. It was a very shocking local murder. They have been named since

Really? Do you think someone capable of murder gives a damn about anyone other than themselves? Imagine what that man was like as a father and have some compassion. Very doubtful his kids were complicit.

But why is that the childrens fault?

They can’t control their father. They aren’t responsible for their fathers actions so why is it ok for them to get abuse?

Absolutely. This is part of open justice. Definitely keep young people’s names out of the public until judgment. But if you have been found guilty of a crime of this nature I strongly believe you should be named. Secrecy serves no one least of all the family / families of those who have been killed.

Everyone in the area knew their names within a couple of hours of the crime being commited. It went round like wildfire. It really is only morbid curiosity though for pretty much everyone. They just look like 2 normal kids.

Not PP, but do you really think sane, healthy, well-adjusted people just decide to murder someone for shits and giggles? If so it's remarkable how little murder there is.

I don't disagree.

I don't know of any research, however, that assesses why people who have comparable traumatic backgrounds or MH problems don't take these paths or harm others .

I'd be very pleased to be signposted to any research that exists.

Children are their own person. You can raise them perfectly but you can’t control outside influence.

At the end of the day, no matter how perfect a parent you are, your child is their own person and therefore responsible for their own actions that even you as a parent can’t comprehend.

It's sad for the families, but like in the Bulger case there must have been something in the family background to begin with. Without name and shame people would be more inclined to do things with hey shouldnt as well, just look at anonymous posts.

What went wrong with these teens to become so twisted that they consider a vicious stabbing an acceptable thing to do.

there will surely be a multitude of factors

social media
mental health
natural tendency to obsession
other personality traits
outside family social factors (school)

and as far as I am aware there has still never been a way to explain why two otherwise similar people put under the same pressures and influences might have 2 different outcomes. The majority will still not kill, a minority do.

my personal experience of working in a prison law solicitors and later with barristers, is that some people are just born with whatever the factor it is that causes them not miss that but of humanity. In the same way some people are prone to generosity, kindness, altruism, or who have a tendency to depression, anxiety, etc. Some people have that switch turned “on” that when given the right conditions and opportunity act in such an horrific way.

The very simple answer is that "everyone is different".

Everyone has different traumatic experiences or experiences their mental health issues differently. Everyone has a different combination of aforesaid. Everyone will react differently to it. Everyone has different inherent vulnerabilities or strengths. Everyone has different levels of support around them. Everyone has different influences on them. Everyone has different pressures in life. Everyone has different levels of access to professional help.

At some extremes you'll have people who are completely A-OK. At others you'll have people who hurt or kill themselves or others.

It is no coincidence that rates of trauma, mental health problems, and poverty are higher in the prison population than in the wider one.

Justice must be seen to be done. Its one of the bedrock of a civilised society. Briannas mum actually pleaded with the community not to harrass the perpetrators families which I think despite her terrible shock and grief, was very magnanimous of her x

It is a difficult one, but as said before there is no anonymity given to adult killers and they have families too.
It's chilling to discover that she gave cannabis sweets to two girls leading one to end up hospitalised prior to the killing.

JudgeJ · Today 11:01

Then maybe their murdering father should have thought about them before he murdered.

Murderers don't tend to think rationally like that, do they?

I don't think they should be named. They were minors.

They have already been named, they were as soon as the judge opened the hearing.

Minors that murdered another minor, planned it for months, got off on it, little sickos needed naming and shaming imo

I would be concerned in this particular case if they want of noterity. There is something to be said about not naming the perpetrators and only the victim.

I also have concerns about capacity, while I fully believe they should be incarcerated. I would wonder if they were in a facility where research can be undertaken to learn something.

If research identified the lack of ability to change then this could ensure full life imprisonment.

@Blueeyedmale a parent without significant IT expertise will not be able to identify use of darkweb the apps used are set to delete post viewing. Police forces struggle to recruit experts but you think a parent can spot this?

Psychologists and psychiatrists disagree on how much can be seen in advance. I fail to see how a parent could see this coming?

My reading of articles refers to typical normal backgrounds- and that is where the greatest fear is found. Typical, normal, the most frightening phrase.

Well they certainly don't look like normal kids in the mugstots. He looks dead behind the eyes and pretty vacant and she doesn't look particularly bright.

If they murdered your child, would you not want to know who they were?

The girl sounds like she has a serious personality disorder. If she were an adult she would be looking at a whole life order. Very grim