To think you don't quite realise how badly the NHS is suffering until you witness it first hand

[DaisyCat33]

My parents are sitting in A&E today. They've just hit 12 hours. My dad was sent there by his GP for severe neck pain this morning. He's had morphine and an MRI scan, but they're now endlessly waiting to see a Dr about results. He hasn't even got a bed to lay on, despite debilitating neck pain. Many people are standing or sitting on the floor.

The couple sitting next to them have been there since 3am, for difficultly breathing.

I'm shocked. Honestly I knew the NHS had it's issues, but this bad?! It's frightening. I also had an email the other day saying my NHS dentist is closing, and it's basically a "well sorry no dentist for you any more, bye bye"

I don't really know the point of this thread really, I just feel shocked and upset that this is how it is. And I think a lot of people don't even realise? My parents definitely didn't until today. They are losing the will to live sat in that hospital.

Does anyone else just feel utterly helpless and anxious about this?

You know it was good old Tony Blair that first started selling off parts of the NHS, right?

In the sector I work in we cannot hire UK trained people to do the work we need doing. Therefore we sponsor skilled workers to come to the UK from overseas. If a highly skilled person arrives with wife and two children they have to pay an NHS surcharge of about £7,500 to cover them for the three years.

In my area, London, there is a grave shortage of skilled staff, even at admin levels. Domestically my cleaner is from Eastern Europe, my gardeners are Portugese. We need immigration if there are insufficient people to do the work.

Further my father was a German/Jewish refugee, arriving in the UK in 1938, my grandfather a Russian emigre arriving in the UK in the early 1920's with their family. My grandmother's family came from Ireland in the 1860s. All immigrants, all refugees - they all worked very hard and paid all necessary taxes.

What you think we should open our borders to 500k students each year?? open borders indeed.

How about we fund Uni's properly so they no longer offer courses with v low entry requirements to over seas students?

So Tories will just carry on pouring money into the "failed" NHS.

So we have a Tory Govt giving us open borders, asylum to known sex offenders and no reform of the NHS (all your words)

Good to know.

Yes we can build new hospitals and fund universities why not! From your magical bottomless pit of money….

Is it sunny in Moscow do we think?

But unbearable back pain isn’t an accident or emergency, is it? They literally cannot do anything for that, it requires further investigation which you can be referred to by a GP.

Better still, try a chiropractor!

We need a political party that is brave enough to tackle this and switch to the Australian model. Streeting is angry enough to make it happen, granted, but he won’t get past the simpering hard left.

£20 billion given away in tax cuts (benefiting the rich the most)

Plenty of money to fund Uni's

Calling me a Russian Troll/Troll hunting is defo against MN rules.

Not joking at all.

Have a look at Labour's website. It tells you exactly what their plan is and how they plan to fund it - partly by closing tax loop holes for non doms - something the Tories haven't 'had the will' to do.

Really interested to hear how you think Brexit has worked out with stopping millions arriving.

The Tories have failed to address uncontrolled immigration or climate change over the last 14 years....you, unless you are a joker yourself you must surely have less than zero confidence in their will or ability to do anything about these issues

No such party exists, not even Reform, who are bunch of right wing anti vaxxers.

Hard left? nah, they are out of Labour for at least a generation.

If Labour have the time (2 terms) they'll fix the NHS.

I do t think I said you were troll….

Hard left are firmly part of the current Labour Party. What do you think their deputy leader is for example. A full blooded Corbynite is what she is. I am always surprised at how uneducated labour supporters are when it comes to their own party.

And this is why labours plan will backfire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64318959.amp

An efficient health system tells someone how to manage their back pain quicker than 13 hours.

Lol Rayner is no Corbynite, her politics is fairly centralist, the Corbynites got banished to the back benches once Starmer became leader or in the case of Corbyn, had the whip withdrawn.

Rayner at best, is described as "Soft Left"

Labour, in a European context would be a right of centre party, with the Tories somewhat to the right of Meloni, the love in between Sunak and Georgia Meloni was rather embarrassing, you'd have thought she was his lover, such was the warmth & chemistry between them.

Your poor aunt, but at least she has a caring niece to advocate for her. Many poor souls don't.

Your posts are very revealing.

I don’t want to engage with you anymore. Thanks all the same. You give yourself away.

The article says 'could' fail because it might encourage non doms to leave BUT importantly it includes this - so the whole article is speculation based on nothing really.

"Studies of tax data show very few non-doms responded to previous reforms by leaving the UK. One paper by the London School of Economics and the University of Warwick says the reforms in 2017 "led to just 0.2% of long-staying non-doms leaving the UK".
"Our best estimate is therefore that the same would be true if the regime were further curtailed or abolished," says Arun Advani, an economist and one of the study's authors.

But there's no private A and E is there? You'll still take your chances.

Let’s be clear the Labour Party is riddled with Corbynites:

https://www.ft.com/content/f2da2081-5304-4e2b-b9f9-0bc837dbcf21

We will see capital flight and investment drain out of the country, just what we need!! 🙄

There is no such thing as ‘easy money’

On Nom Doms how many choose to stay past the period where it expires?

If most use the system to stay within Nom Dom definition to avoid losing that status then I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same

Eg avoid us altogether as there is no period in which they will have that status

Would love to see how £3.2 billion of non-dom money is going to fix the NHS. People are deluded. It’s a drop in the ocean of the already huge NHS budget.