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Asking employer to cover childcare costs

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Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 05:33

I’ve been asked to go on a business trip for a week, is it unreasonable to ask the company to pay the incremental childcare costs?

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SunshineAndRainbowsToday · 01/02/2024 08:51

Bearbookagainandagain · 01/02/2024 08:49

I agree that it's common, but my point was that this clause in the contract does not mean that OP has agreed to all and any travel conditions and just has to suck it up.

Presumably what it means was discussed at interview or when being offered the job. In OP's case, it clearly means the possibility of overseas travel. In any case, she can say no easily it seems, so that makes it easy. She says no.

ElaineMBenes · 01/02/2024 08:53

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:28

@BitchImLoco apologies, I don’t mean to come across as aggressive. I guess I’m just exasperated at some of the responses, to me it seems a lot of people here don’t value themselves.
I agree, male/female single/married…that doesn’t matter.
My sole point is that I don’t see why I should be out of pocket for business purposes which are not a routine matter.

I value myself which is why I don't see myself as default childcare and expect my husband to step up when required.

You wouldn't be out of pocket if you expected the same from your husband.

Deliaskis · 01/02/2024 08:53

And really, we all have to pay something out of pocket in order to work generally, whether it's the cost of our commute or parking, the cost of a suitable range of clothing and footwear (unless in a uniform role), the cost of lunches when we're away from the house etc. and any childcare at all at any time for that matter.

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:54

lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 08:49

My sole point is that I don’t see why I should be out of pocket for business purposes which are not a routine matter.

I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse tbh.

You're out of pocket because it's your child and your expense to cover. Quite why you think that's your employers problem is beyond me.

Likewise.
At what point would you draw the line at your employers request then? If they ask me to go away for a year, is that ok?
I think it’s my employers problem as they are asking me to do something that is not my job.

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ElaineMBenes · 01/02/2024 08:55

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:47

@Deliaskis all those other things are covered. The sole difference in me not being here is nursery drop off/pick ups.

Then your husband needs to make himself available. Its that simple

lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 08:55

At what point would you draw the line at your employers request then? If they ask me to go away for a year, is that ok?

But they're not asking that, so it's irrelevant.

I think it’s my employers problem as they are asking me to do something that is not my job.

But it is your job. You've said yourself that your contract covers business travel 🤔

Danikm151 · 01/02/2024 08:56

When travelling on a business trip you will have a daily food/travel allowance.
so the value saved on food and travel for you for the week could go towards the extra nursery cost.

Businesses generally won’t pay for childcare costs unless they ask you to cover last minute for something. I’m presuming you have adequate time to plan your childcare for the week you are away.

ChipsAreLife · 01/02/2024 08:58

I run my own by business. If I asked someone to go away and it meant them having to pay £300 on childcare I would let them expense it.

I've worked at companies before with parents who worked part time, if they were asked to work on their day off they could add the extra childcare to expenses so it seems normal to me.

Just ask, worse they can say is no and then understand why you don't want to go.

Justfinking · 01/02/2024 08:58

RicePuddingWithCinnamon · 01/02/2024 08:21

Surely most people have commitments like children, pets or elderly relatives, employers can’t cover these costs it’s ridiculous to ask them to pay for your choices.

Exactly!! The responses on here are just embarrassing. This isn't Mary and the baby Jesus, your kid isn't that special OP. You're normal, like everyone else, having a kid doesn't give you special rights

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:58

Well it’s been interesting. But I will ask, and I shall update on their reply.

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lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 08:58

Disrupting this balance because work needs change is a total pain in the arse.

I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but that doesn't make it the employers' problem to solve.

EarringsandLipstick · 01/02/2024 08:59

Wakeywake · 01/02/2024 07:48

I don't get these responses. Just because your contract says travel required doesn't mean you're not entitled to expenses directly incurred by travelling. That's why you can claim for hotels and meals. I don't know if exceptional childcare is an allowable HMRC expense but it's a perfectly valid question.

Key being 'directly incurred' - childcare is not such an expense.

The same way that mileage is typically paid from your place of work, not your home.

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:59

@Justfinking no shit.

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Likeagoodday · 01/02/2024 09:00

Ask, they either say yes or no. As an employer I would cover the cost and if a man had to go away and his wife needed help, same.

SunshineAndRainbowsToday · 01/02/2024 09:00

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:54

Likewise.
At what point would you draw the line at your employers request then? If they ask me to go away for a year, is that ok?
I think it’s my employers problem as they are asking me to do something that is not my job.

A job that needs someone to be away for a year would generally need a very special contract. Such jobs do exist but they are advertised as based overseas, with possible overseas extended travel (which then usually includes the cost of relocating for an extended period for the whole family), and you know what you are in for when you take it on. That sort of job is normally not under a general travel clause.

Grimchmas · 01/02/2024 09:00

lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 08:49

My sole point is that I don’t see why I should be out of pocket for business purposes which are not a routine matter.

I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse tbh.

You're out of pocket because it's your child and your expense to cover. Quite why you think that's your employers problem is beyond me.

I think it's other posters who are being deliberately obtuse.

The point is that the employer is asking her to do something outside of her normal scope that would incur additional expense to her. When my employer asks me to dyne around delivering leaflets in my vehicle, I claim for mileage. This employer wants this employee to travel abroad, so she can set last discuss with them claiming for out of pocket expenses like childcare.

Viviennemary · 01/02/2024 09:01

YABU. Is this part of your job and expected or not. Why can't your partner cope.

SuperDopper · 01/02/2024 09:02

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:58

Well it’s been interesting. But I will ask, and I shall update on their reply.

Problem is OP, because you’ve been so aggressive on this thread, if they do agree to pay, no one will actually believe you as everyone will think you’re making it up to defend your position!

EarringsandLipstick · 01/02/2024 09:03

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:03

@lifeispainauchocolat correct, it’s not my employers responsibility if I have a child or not. However I don’t believe I should incur an additional £300 expense to cover time on their behalf outside of my contracted hours

I'm so glad I'm not managing you.

In my line of work, travel to conferences is part of our roles. A significant part of this - the travel there, evening meal and so on - is outside our 'contracted hours'.

It's considered part of our roles and professional development.

Not everything in a workplace can be calculated exactly - it's part of give & take and in a good workplace, both employer & employee should benefit, overall.

Which is why I said - have a mature conversation about this, and balance both sets of needs.

lifeispainauchocolat · 01/02/2024 09:04

The point is that the employer is asking her to do something outside of her normal scope that would incur additional expense to her. When my employer asks me to dyne around delivering leaflets in my vehicle, I claim for mileage. This employer wants this employee to travel abroad, so she can set last discuss with them claiming for out of pocket expenses like childcare.

But the mileage is unavoidable as it's part of the job you're being asked to do - therefore it's a standard business expense.

Childcare is nothing to do with the employer.

EarringsandLipstick · 01/02/2024 09:04

This reply has been deleted

The OP has privacy concerns, so we've agreed to take this down now.

That's grand. Your choice - it's fine for them to ask, it's fine for you to say no.

You were being asked to do something outside your contract - that's the difference.

OP is not.

ElaineMBenes · 01/02/2024 09:04

Viviennemary · 01/02/2024 09:01

YABU. Is this part of your job and expected or not. Why can't your partner cope.

This is the mystery!!
The OP is refusing to answer that question!

EarringsandLipstick · 01/02/2024 09:06

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 08:14

I’m amazed so many responses are saying “suck it up”. We already pay £1800 in nursery fees, my partner does 50/50 childcare.
this is not a one off, few hours here and there, my employer is asking me to go to Africa for 10 days, which will cause additional expenses to a trip that will probably cost them over £20000.
why should I just accept I need to pay more? It’s a business trip for business reasons…

I'm amazed you can't see how utterly unreasonable you are being.

As I've said (repeatedly), have the conversation about your preferences with your employer. Some might be prepared to offer some payment that would alleviate those costs.

But no, they are not unreasonable to ask you to travel and expect you to manage the childcare implications.

Ginmonkeyagain · 01/02/2024 09:06

But @Totupthenumberspls you are not single.

All I was saying is managers have to justify additional expense requests and if I agreed to cover your childcare expenses it is likely our accounts department would ask if other reasonable options had been considered - the present and invoved father of your children stepping up whilst you are away would be, for me, a reasonable alternative to paying for extra childcare.

Totupthenumberspls · 01/02/2024 09:06

@ElaineMBenes ive answered that previously,

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