Does Trump increase or decrease ww3 risk?

[ChedderGorgeous]

NATO chiefs said Europe should prepare for world war 3 with Russia within 3 years. Trump famously wants to pull put of NATO, however, last time round he actually increased spending of US for NATO. It's all very hard to predict, but you could argue Putin would see Trump as a "stronger" leader than sleepy Joe and that's all that Putin respects. AIBU to say that Trump could be better for global stability despite all his huge negatives.

@WarProf

Yes, that's the kind of idea they seem to have. It's wrong in every respect except WW2, but then that wing of US politics aren't known for their good grasp of history, economics, or geopolitics. Aside from the catastrophic effects of a Europe-wide war on the global economy, with the knock-on disastrous effects on the US economy, the moment the US walks away from its alliance commitments, as Trump wants to do, it loses its remaining standing in the world, which will destabilise other regions (East Asia most obviously) as other states take advantage of US weakness and further undermine US security at a point when the US would be without allies. The US can't just shift to an autarkic economy and seal themselves off from all external security threats, so they'd be screwed.

Agree with all of this. The standing of the US globally has been crumbling since 2015 before Trump was elected, and the political conversation took a distinct downturn. His re-election would erode this further, and delicate flashpoints around the globe could easily ignite. Putin will take advantage of any perceived weakness of the US, and Trump - someone easily taken advantage of, quick to anger, with a trail of disasters behind him - is a clear fault-line.

Increase

Trump is so erratic, he reacts on his emotions and no one can predict he he will respond in a situation

having someone so unpredictable in power is dangerous

Trump's record of no new wars and better relations with various leaders and countries (i.e. helping to prevent wars) speaks for itself.
If he gets in then we will all be better off.

The man is a billionaire and an ideological patriot, therefore impossible to buy (unlike the current guy); and if there was a shred of tangible dirt on him the media would have found it by now. I would like to see the politicians who could withstand half of the scrutiny he has had upon him over the last 8 years.

People need to stop parroting the crap they've read on the headlines or on Twitter, and engage a bit of critical thinking. The amount of fake news and hyperbole surrounding coverage of him is ridiculous once you do the slightest bit of digging. There is a reason he has the following that he has.

Ah, CoatRack makes an appearance, with the same interesting quality of contributions.

I wish he would’ve injected bleach into every orifice in his fat orange blubbery body.

What I don't get is why we can't be trained up as drone flyers rather than being "front line". It's what women have done in Ukraine, amongst other things obviously. I just feel there's a range of less physical and more practical options to defence before we all need to be joining Dad's Army.

Unsure of what you mean you have nothing to lose, universal credit would stop, food would be rationed no kfc, no electrify , no heating petrol would be rationed. Men would be conscripted actually women too. I actually think there is a lot to lose it took a generation to recover after the last war might take longer this time even if we win.

I'm no fan of Trump, but the Democrats really love a good war and have been longing for a war with Russia for the last ten years now.

If we go off his previous form then the evidence clearly shows that he didn't go to war with anyone during his previous term.

The hysteria on MN will tell you different but I don't understand the comments about him being unhinged etc when his track record speaks for himself.

I'm more concerned about Biden moving nuclear weapons here than Trump starting a war right now.

Everyone who says Biden "contributed" to wars, but Trump didn't "start" wars. Well, Biden didn't start any either, and Trump "contributed" to the war in Afghanistan on his watch. Biden ended it. This is an extremely simplistic way in which to view things.

Nope, he only fucked up Afghanistan for the foreseeable future.

He'd cut funding to Ukraine and not allow weapons / drones / infrastructure to be sent there.

Ukraine would fall and what then?

Check who sent money back to Iran when president. Clue the Democrat leader before Biden.

DT can run again but to avoid him winning they need to kick useless Biden out. Why they do not do that? Their only weapon is to demonised Trump.

The US needs to look after their own country and there is nothing wrong with that. It is not like the US citizens would vote to benefit Europe.

Ok I admit I don’t know the name of the guy but just yesterday on either world at one or radio 5 (think it was wato) they were discussing escalation in the ME and some military advisor to Biden’s administration said it.

“If you think the problem with Trump is that he was 'twitting' mean things, I doubt anything is going to get through, but just in case, Trump has said repeatedly what he plans to do with a next term.” Tell this to the masses of people who complained about this. I could not care less about Trump but the ridiculous lies backfired as he will be back again because of the incompetence of the Democrats and for going to extreme like is happening in California and NY.

Also, the US citizens are realising they were much better off in the things that matter to them. Biden has been a disaster and an embarrassment. Beggars belief he has not resigned yet.

I agree he is a proper nuclear deterrent because he'd probably just nuke Russia just because he could and his hillbilly supporters woukd love it.
He would probably either do that or pull the US out of funding Ukraine, so Russia would just overwhelm Ukraine and the war would end that way. The only worry is that he also pulls out of NATO because then Poland and Finland may be at risk, but realistically, how far would Russia get with an exhausted and decimated army? Otoh the Hard Left and Corbynistas in the UK will find out what happens when their dream comes true and NATO is dismantled and the US stops interfering in foreign wars.

@Wallaw well you obviously you think that you are much clever than others because you are against Trump. Sad that you need to insult me to make your point. You are part of the reason he will get back as president of the US this year.

It’s hard to know

Currently using wars with Biden as a campaigning strategy but could be an issue with NATO

It could be either - hopefully the less volatile one

I th8nk the USA has recently passed a law meaning now a president can’t unilaterally pull USA out of nato. So he might find leaving nato difficult. No idea if he can repeal that law somehow. Or what happens if nato goes to war and the USA is in nato and the president just refuses to participate 🤷‍♀️

Russia's puppet? Is this the same Trump that warned Western countries (Germany in particular) 5 years ago they were becoming totally energy dependent on Russia and needed to change tack? The one where the Germans all laughed at him. I wonder how that turned out.

"The man is a billionaire"

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Decrease.

Strong leaders stop weak one's from trying to gain power. Where there is a power vacuum, weak, unpredictable leaders will seek to exploit it. And usually they do so successfully, thereby gaining strength. Too many people seeking to assert dominance over a region will lead to tension, as is happening right now in Europe and the Middle East.

A strong, decisive leader (even if they are not popular) will be able to keep peace. Look at Saddam, he was never going to win a Noble Peace Prize, but he did keep the region in check.

@TheThingIsYeah I believe we need to take that warning in context of his broader speech where his main gripe was that countries like Germany were willing to fill Russia's coffers but not giving more money to NATO. I take it as more of a shot at Germany than a rebuke of Russia. It is also interesting that that he said this days before his meeting with Putin which was held in secret as were subsequent meetings, with no record of anything that was said between them which is highly unusual. Trump has been quite effusive in his praise of Putin in general.

Keep on taking the pills petal 💊

I'm still struggling to understand how US, out of the millions of citizens, can't find anyone to run their country other than two geriatric incompetents. I mean, did they forget to fund the younger generation/up-and-coming in politics while Clinton was in or something? I'm sure the Tories have training camps for the likes of Bravaman, Priti in fairly early youth where they get to fire paintballs at figures that pop up not clutching a UK passport, sinking boats, spouting about "controll" and "taking our country back" etc. We've managed a constant cycle of PM's we've not even voted for as a result! What happened with US?

I'm sure the Tories have training camps for the likes of Bravaman, Priti in fairly early youth where they get to fire paintballs at figures that pop up not clutching a UK passport, sinking boats, spouting about "controll" and "taking our country back" etc

😂😂😂bit like Hitler Youth camps.

l don’t understand why the US can’t put forward any younger candidates either!