Do you think labour will actually implement 20% vat on school fees?

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We have two in Year 7 and year 10 and I am not sure what we will do if this happens. It is a certainty do you think?

I wonder if they will also charge universities which are almost all ran as charities too

@izimbra

People like yourself are getting poorer by your own actions.

The "politics of envy" only ends one way:

The lower income folks get even poorer and less educated. Anybody who understands economics cause and effect will tell you this.

Like Brexit, you are being warned by people with experience that you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Seems like you haven't learned your lesson.

@izimbra My ds is fairly bright, yes. He will take Maths, Further Maths, Physics & DT a'levels IF he stays at his indie.

The only state school to offer that option is 27 miles away, and there's no bus so I can't get him there because I'm a single mum with a mortgage and a job.

Welcome to North Hampshire !

As I said, Labour will pull the ladder up behind them. My ds will get through because I'll bankrupt myself rather than let them wreck his chances. But they take away even that tiny chance for those able children who come behind him.

DS had a friend who moved from state primary to private when he was 8.

After a few weeks he came over for a playdate. At teatime I asked him if he liked his new school, to which he replied that the best bit was going to school on the school.minibus because they looked out of the windows and "laughed at the proles". I was so taken aback I asked him what proles meant, as I assumed that there must be some slang meaning I was unaware of. But no. He told me that proles were the kids who didn't go to private schools. Like my DC.

That's the sort of attitude people mean when they refer to the arrogance and entitlement of privately educated children.

I am curious to know how the lower incomes are getting less intelligent? My child is at a decent state school. Your post smells of eugenics.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-vat-plans-hit-private-schools-next-year-starmer-prepares-immediate-rollout-2640753

it seems it would be at soonest September 2024 and at latest 2025 without a phased introduction.

I think so. I can't see a problem.

The advantages of the private sector are thus: their charitable status, meaning tax breaks. Better facilities overall. The school buildings are not falling down. The old school tie thing helps in future networking. Prestige.

Horrible kids go to private school AND state, it's just that parents pay extra to send their horrible kids to private. And it might cost more in the future.

Sure.

Hate the language that is used by some private school parents - “we make SACRIFICES”. It’s that language that is emotive. It implies parents who send their children to state schools do not make sacrifices. I’m a teacher in a state school, any revenue raised by abolishing charitable status (even a paltry 1%) will be a bonus. Maybe I can stop paying for glue sticks myself.

@MrsMurphyIWish I don't think it implies that. I think it's just trying to get people to understand that contrary to what some posters are "100% sure" of, we cant all easily afford it or will just drop one luxury holiday. There are always plenty of posters like me who are not just sacrificing but getting into huge debt to keep my kids in the school that provides what they need. It's far, far from Eton and full of lots of parents in a similar situation to me. I completely understand that it's not affordable for everyone to do what I am doing, but are we also going to criticise those who are desperately scraping together the money for private ASD assessments or therapy, as is often advocated on here because CAMHS is so shit? Haven't seen that at all, yet for my kids and many others, paying for private school is the exact equivalent. I'd love to have confident, thriving NT kids who are fine in a comp of any standard, but I dont and they're not. Unless Labour are ALSO going to guarantee that state schools will magically and radically change their approach and CAMHS is similarly transformed, SEN kids will be tje most affected by this.

What a lot of nonsense.

True and watching people clap for it is depressing

I fear it will though, it's a red meat policy for the left and a spite policy. Just like the hunting ban.

For those thinking that people won’t move from private to state, it’s already happening at natural break points. For example, at 11, more people have chosen the state route from a local private primary than in previous years. Pretty much every single child who sits the grammar 11+ passes from that school. They have taken a place which another child could have had. Even the threat of VAT is making a difference.

I fear it will though, it's a red meat policy for the left and a spite policy.

Yes people thrive on spite stuff, well with Starmer anyway

Plus it’s all they’ve got

Plus it’s all they’ve got

Don’t forget the non dom changes……. That’s going to fund everything else. Apparently, taxing private school fees and non doms are going to solve all the country’s problems…..

Indeed.

Insulting and inaccurate. Perhaps the teaching in some private schools isn't that great!

Don’t forget the non dom changes……. That’s going to fund everything else. Apparently, taxing private school fees and non doms are going to solve all the country’s problems…..

labour won’t have the money tree the Tory’s have had for 13 years

Well you’re going to be disappointed as Labour are not ending charitable status - that’s something completely different to the VAT policy. Maybe you should educate yourself on what Labour are and are not going to introduce if you’re going to vote for them.

And private school parents making sacrifices does not imply that state school parents don’t. They are merely pointing out that not all private schools parents have loads of spare cash.

Yes, hope so! It's been a long time coming. Most people I know are quite happy with it. It's fair enough.

we need doctors, scientists, engineers, and they ain’t gonna flow from your average comprehensives

33% of doctors were trained and came from overseas, so never attended a public or private school.

22% of doctors were educated at private or public school

ignorance oozes from your statement

That awful post below pretty much illustrates why this is needed. Some actually believe only the top jobs should go to a tiny minority who can afford a private education.

It’s worth remembering that state educated kids out perform the privately educated at uni.

Yep. Another lame duck overspent already

Those people are not mobile and attractive to other countries at all

Universal Credit pays childcare fees for many working parents so your point is moot.