To open my window on the bus

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It seems to be a mission for some people to fight to have all the windows on the bus closed, for all of every journey? Why? Before covid this wasn't an issue - now it seems people have a point to make.

I get there can be a chilly draught, but just put your coat on, or put your hood up?

I am immunocompromised, and wear a mask and open the window on my way to and from work. Every single time I get ill, ( currently a couple of times a month) my classes are left with non specialist agency staff. I take all the precautions I reasonably can to keep from catching anything, but this constant battle on the bus every working day is really wearing my down.

I like windows closed when it’s winter. The draughts cause my muscles to ache

Yes.... of course someone going through chemo would get off the bus and walk through the RAIN and FREEZING WIND rather than sit near the door instead 🙄

I am have very predictably had to ring in sick this morning with a high temperature and my whole body hurting 😡

There's a bug going round. Almost everybody I know has had it.

Probably because you decided to be a martyr and walk in the cold and rain rather than sit on the nice warm dry bus!

I dont think you understand how viruses spread - they spread when you are crushed up with loads of other people and no ventilation, not when you are outside, no matter how cold and dark and wet it is.

I got off the bus once in the morning. I should have got of the other bad morning too. And I should have got of sooner, even the morning I did get off, and never mind if that messed up the day even worse.

I am paying the price now. And my classes wont have a teacher, they will have a cover supervisor and do book work instead of getting taught

Oh now you're ill and it definitely was the bus. Of course.

Not making yourself more vulnerable by getting cold and wet.

Or the supermarket or anywhere else you've been

Or, you know, the school. Where I'm sure you had to walk down corridors etc....

I dont think you understand how viruses spread - they spread when you are crushed up with loads of other people and no ventilation, not when you are outside, no matter how cold and dark and wet it is.

Weird. I got ill without being 'crushed up with loads of other people and no ventilation'. Almost as if that's not the only way to get ill. It could just as easily have been caught from a person in school as it could a person on the bus.

I think it's you who doesn't understand how viruses work.

Getting cold and wet does not cause virus infections. Viruses do. From being in close contact with other people who are infectious. And might or might not know it.

I socially distance in the supermarket. Because I am immunocompromised.

I don't go anywhere else. because I am immunocompromised

I don't walk down corridors in the school. Because guess what! I am immunocompromised, and so, being reasonable people, managers have arranged for me not to be put in a vulnerable position, and my time table takes that into account!

So guess what, it probably was the bus

potentially, but the bus is a lot more likely as there are safeguards in place for me in school

You probably ache because you were carting bags of heavy wet books around while scrambling up hill and down dale during your commute.

I don't walk down corridors in the school

What do you do? Fly? Climb in and out of windows and run around outside?

No, I have a timetable which means I do not have to cross a corridor at any lesson change time. As requested to HR by my consultant, and implemented by the school managers, you know, due to being immunocompromised.

Why does it surprise people that school can and do manage these medical situations, both for students and for staff?

How do you get to and from your classroom when entering and leaving the building?

Bullshit

shhh OP, they can't believe in aerosol transmission and ventilation being key to minimising it because if it was real then they'd be being inconsiderate and stupid.

Being cold and wet can compromise your immune system though and make it weaker which... gasp... makes it easier to get ill.

It's not close contact so much as breathing in the particles.

Unless you are climbing in and out all the open windows then you are walking down corridors other people have to use. If someone else happens to be in the corridor to you screech at them "GET OUT I'M THE ONLY PERSON ALLOWED TO USE THIS CORRIDOR FOR THE NEXT HALF AN HOUR"?

If no one else is changing class does that mean you leave your classroom before the end of class and leave your class sat there until the bell goes? Because otherwise they'll be moving around too...

People still come too close to you in the supermarket even if you're avoiding them. They breath on items you then pick up, viruses can also be transmitted via touch.

Your consultant told you to get off the bus regardless of the weather conditions, darkness or heavy bags if you can’t have a window open?

If closed windows on buses are so harzardous to you why don’t you drive or learn?

What would you put that down to specifically?

If being at work and travelling to and from work is dangerous for you, you must either find work that is safer for you eg working from home, or come to terms with the fact that the universe cannot or will not rearrange itself to accommodate your wishes. All the stress you are putting yourself through is not helping your immune system, which would rather that you were happier

Being cold and wet I think just makes you tired, which yes can make you a little more susceptible. Walking you'd probably stay fairly warm, it's just not very enjoyable.

It's not really being near people (although the closer you are the more you're in the cloud of their exhaled breath), it's being in an unventilated space that someone has been breathing out aerosols into for a while. Turns it into virus soup.

If a room is ventilated (which a corridor generally is, due to doors opening and closing and people churning the air as they walk through, moving the air) and someone infected isn't in it for a long period (which they generally aren't in a corridor) it's relatively low risk.

If a bus has no open windows the only new air comes from the door, and as it has nowhere to go it doesn't move the air through, it will just swirl and do a small air exchange, hardly affecting the soupy air further back.

It's not really being near people (although the closer you are the more you're in the cloud of their exhaled breath), it's being in an unventilated space that someone has been breathing out aerosols into for a while. Turns it into virus soup.

Like a corridor full of people that have been walking through....

as in my post above:

"If a room is ventilated (which a corridor generally is, due to doors opening and closing and people churning the air as they walk through, moving the air) and someone infected isn't in it for a long period (which they generally aren't in a corridor) it's relatively low risk."

people don't tend to sit in a corridor for a long period with all the doors and windows shut.

Lol a bus is ventilated too - the bloody door opens and people move around every two minutes.

Again, from my post just up there ^

"If a bus has no open windows the only new air comes from the door, and as it has nowhere to go it doesn't move the air through, it will just swirl and do a small air exchange, hardly affecting the soupy air further back."

I prefer windows open but am not too fussed as try and keep bus journeys short as I start to feel a bit queezy after a while.

The problem with opening the window above your head is the person behind gets the draught in their face!