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To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

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Mummytotwonow · 25/01/2024 19:28

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

Time to 'think the unthinkable' and consider UK conscription, says Britain's former top NATO commander

General Sir Richard Sherriff tells Sky News that even if Russia is defeated in the war against Ukraine, it is going to remain determined to rebuild another empire, subjugate Ukraine, and then move on to other ex-Soviet countries, like NATO members. Tha...

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

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Drosera · 25/01/2024 23:53

HenndigoOZ · 25/01/2024 23:49

one of my closest friends is Russian and her brother was conscripted. He thought he was just going to have some training for a year and then leave. He was taken to Ukraine and not told what was happening. It was a shock to him to be fighting the Ukrainians, who to Russians are like Welsh or Scottish to us. Honestly, the UK government as bad (as it is)is not the same. Russia really treat their male population as fodder to be thrown in the meat grinder and jail the opposition leaders.

re Covid, virtually every country around the world regardless of politics all had scientists who were agreed on the reality of the virus and proposed similar measures to reduce deaths. It wasn’t a UK government only exercise while the rest of us overseas watched on in disbelief. We all had lockdowns!

Edited

Quite!

People that think covid was like living under a true dictatorship would be in for a really rude awakening I feel.

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 23:53

CoatRack · 25/01/2024 23:52

'Free' is certainly an appropriate measure of value in this case.

I eagerly await any kind of tangible contribution from you, though I'm not holding my breath.

I really don’t expect you to. Next!

Carthag · 25/01/2024 23:54

What a reasoned and intelligent argument that wasn't.

Reminds me of the fools in Threads screaming in rage at the public speaker who was telling them of the insanity of nuclear war.

Carthag · 25/01/2024 23:59

WinterMorn · 25/01/2024 23:49

You are completely and utterly wrong.

What a reasoned and intelligent argument that wasn't.

Reminds me of the fools in Threads screaming in rage at the public speaker who was telling them of the insanity of nuclear war.

Nogg · 26/01/2024 00:01

The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

theduchessofspork · 26/01/2024 00:03

cerisepanther73 · 25/01/2024 21:56

No chance would i allow my son willing to fight in the name of this country
I would be doing whatever is humanely to discourage him

especially after the Windrush scandal in more recent times ect,

I come from ethnic heritage background

It’s not going to happen, but if it did, it wouldn’t be your choice.

Nogg · 26/01/2024 00:04

War is young men dying and old men talking

Carthag · 26/01/2024 00:05

UnderratedGenius · 25/01/2024 22:49

Interesting so many people say that they wouldn’t let their children fight for this country, and that they would rather live under whatever regime the invading force imposed.

Have you any idea what invasion involves?

Imagine you’re the leader of an invading army. When you arrive on the shore of the target country you want to advance as far as possible with as little resistance as possible. You’ve heard that the locals don’t want to fight, that they have publicly stated they will submit, but can you be really sure that’s true? Is it worth the risk to go in without a plan? What if they change their minds?

Who is most likely to put up a viable resistance? Due to size, weight and strength differences that’s generally young men. So, who are you going to target first? Round up some of the local men where you land, kill or torture them and ensure that no one is tempted to put up any form of resistance. Do this in every town you reach.

Rape the women and girls, it’s a terror tactic of war as old as time itself. If the husbands, partners or fathers try to intervene kill them. And then kill the women they were defending.

Impose restrictions on movement and ban freedom of assembly, at least until everyone has given up all hope of being free. Make the demands for compliance onerous, that way when you loosen your grip people are fooled into thinking that they have their liberty back.

Ban discussions about life before invasion unless it follows the party line - life was bad before, but now we love our new society. If access to communications poses a risk to successful compliance by the locals then deny them access to it. Elderly people can be dangerous, they remember the time before complacency, when people helped their neighbours and believed in being proud of the freedoms accorded to them by their country. Make it known that reminiscing can lead to imprisonment. If no one can remember the Before time, then no one can reliably judge whether things are better or worse.

The last country-wide invasion of England was in 1066. For the last thousand years the citizens have generally considered invasion to be undesirable and understood that in order to repel invaders it was necessary to maintain a trained force of fighting age men in sufficient numbers to make a difference.

Apathy to defend against invaders, coupled with insiders trying to overthrow the existing system gave us William of Orange.

Not really comparable to Putin, was he?

Your post has many truths, however I would answer it as simply as this:-

Nuclear war = Dead earth

Nothing is worth this.

Dead or maimed children.

Nothing is worth this.

Sanctioned murder of ordinary people dressed up as soldiers? No thanks.

CoatRack · 26/01/2024 00:06

HenndigoOZ · 25/01/2024 23:49

one of my closest friends is Russian and her brother was conscripted. He thought he was just going to have some training for a year and then leave. He was taken to Ukraine and not told what was happening. It was a shock to him to be fighting the Ukrainians, who to Russians are like Welsh or Scottish to us. Honestly, the UK government as bad (as it is)is not the same. Russia really treat their male population as fodder to be thrown in the meat grinder and jail the opposition leaders.

re Covid, virtually every country around the world regardless of politics all had scientists who were agreed on the reality of the virus and proposed similar measures to reduce deaths. It wasn’t a UK government only exercise while the rest of us overseas watched on in disbelief. We all had lockdowns!

Edited

I never said the lockdowns were UK only, and it doesn't make them right. Not everyone did them either - Sweden being a close example.

Throwing mountains of bodies at conflicts is the Russian standard MO, and has been for centuries.
Again, criticising one does not mean support of the other, and I do not believe we are that special. How many people at the Somme really knew what they were fighting for?

I have to say, this patriotism is inspiring in the face of my disdain for our political establishment. One wonders how we're falling short of recruitment numbers.

ChedderGorgeous · 26/01/2024 00:08

CoatRack · 26/01/2024 00:06

I never said the lockdowns were UK only, and it doesn't make them right. Not everyone did them either - Sweden being a close example.

Throwing mountains of bodies at conflicts is the Russian standard MO, and has been for centuries.
Again, criticising one does not mean support of the other, and I do not believe we are that special. How many people at the Somme really knew what they were fighting for?

I have to say, this patriotism is inspiring in the face of my disdain for our political establishment. One wonders how we're falling short of recruitment numbers.

Isn't there a tin foil hat that's missing a head ? Back you go !

WinterMorn · 26/01/2024 00:10

@Carthag you obviously haven’t read much of this thread. In fact, it’s unlikely you have read much at all, judging by some of the inaccuracies in your post.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 26/01/2024 00:12

berksandbeyond · 25/01/2024 19:49

People saying ‘oh my kids won’t be fighting’ are kidding themselves, that’s not how conscription works funnily enough. If it comes to it- they’ll be going. Mothers didn’t want their kids to fight in any other war either, that’s kinda the whole point in conscription

This is correct.

Catpuss66 · 26/01/2024 00:14

gnarlynarwhal · 25/01/2024 20:53

My DH thinks if Trump wins the US election he will withdraw aid from the Ukraine which would massively increase Russia's chance of advancing.

I think if Trump wins he will hand over the US to Putin anyway & he’ll get paid for his efforts.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/01/2024 00:15

CoatRack · 25/01/2024 20:49

Equality and equity etc. is for times of peace and luxury. Those policies will disappear very quickly once there is an actual need for meat shields.

Not least because we have known for millennia that sending the womb-holders away to be killed is irretrievably stupid.

we have known for millennia that sending the womb-holders away to be killed is irretrievably stupid.

I came to this thread to say this.

As a class, women's most important job for their country is to bear the next generation of citizens.

You could have 90% or even more of all men die and still have a replacement birth rate, by having each surviving man father children on multiple women concurrently and keeping careful records to make sure that half-siblings conceived this way don't marry each other.

If 90% of women die, you will have a massive population crash. If 50% of women die, you will have a massive population crash. A country cannot afford to risk mass death or mass reproductive incapacitation of its women.

Ukraine ordered the women to flee and the men to stay and fight for good reasons. Russian soldiers have mass raped Ukrainian women with the stated intent of traumatising them into asexual behaviour so that they cannot bear Ukrainian children. Rape works as genocide by a) forcing women to birth the enemy's babies and b) preventing future births. Rape can cause injuries that prevent future pregnancies too. Russian soldiers have murdered Ukrainian women. Dead women bear no children. The Ukrainian government has been very wise.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 26/01/2024 00:16

TooOldForThisNonsense · 25/01/2024 19:58

Agreed

They can fuck right off

the days of people or let’s face it men being asked to lay down their lives for “king and country” are over. No way are my boys being sacrificed while the fucking idiots who cause wars remain protected.

If it came to it you would get no say at all. Just like mothers in other countries have no say.

Carthag · 26/01/2024 00:16

SmellyKat10 · 25/01/2024 19:41

Let the politicians and their sons stand on the front line.

yeah. Didn’t think so.

Definitely correct. Funny how everyone else has to do the murdering, maiming and dying to back up their big talk.

CoatRack · 26/01/2024 00:17

ChedderGorgeous · 26/01/2024 00:08

Isn't there a tin foil hat that's missing a head ? Back you go !

Edited

Oh no you called out my conspiracy theory about... the Swedes...

Absolute NPC

Daisybuttercup12345 · 26/01/2024 00:20

kerstina · 25/01/2024 20:09

Over my dead body will my DS be conscripted to serve in an overseas war started by war mongerer’s rather than peacemakers. Put the bloody old men wanting to stir up trouble and let them fight it out in a field .

I watching that programme last week on how the threat of nuclear war has gone up. It’s always bloody men that start them .

If it came to it then over your dead body may well be the case unfortunately.

LuluBlakey1 · 26/01/2024 00:21

Carthag · 26/01/2024 00:05

Your post has many truths, however I would answer it as simply as this:-

Nuclear war = Dead earth

Nothing is worth this.

Dead or maimed children.

Nothing is worth this.

Sanctioned murder of ordinary people dressed up as soldiers? No thanks.

But you don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, sunk, the ayatollahs, Kim Jong Un, Hammas, China- none of them care what you think, or I or any of us little people. They'll do as they please and have enough power to force the rest of us.

unsync · 26/01/2024 00:26

Terrrence · 25/01/2024 19:32

They can fuck off if they think my children are fighting in any land war. I don't think anybody else's children should either. I would rather Russia just took over than a generation were sacrificed to prevent it.

You realise that Putin has conscripted young Russian men to fight his war in Ukraine don't you? What do you think he would do to young men of fighting age if Russia was an occupying force? The history of Russia is brutal and bloody, as is the present.

Pliskin · 26/01/2024 00:27

LuluBlakey1 · 26/01/2024 00:21

But you don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, sunk, the ayatollahs, Kim Jong Un, Hammas, China- none of them care what you think, or I or any of us little people. They'll do as they please and have enough power to force the rest of us.

Someone has to lead the various countries, unless of course humanity wants a One world govt instead ?

Daisybuttercup12345 · 26/01/2024 00:27

theduchessofspork · 26/01/2024 00:03

It’s not going to happen, but if it did, it wouldn’t be your choice.

Unfortunately it wouldn't be up to you. He would be made to go.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/01/2024 00:28

Carthag · 26/01/2024 00:05

Your post has many truths, however I would answer it as simply as this:-

Nuclear war = Dead earth

Nothing is worth this.

Dead or maimed children.

Nothing is worth this.

Sanctioned murder of ordinary people dressed up as soldiers? No thanks.

If the Ukrainians weren't fighting back, there would be even more dead and maimed Ukrainian children, and even more dead, maimed, and raped Ukrainian women.

LuluBlakey1 · 26/01/2024 00:32

Pliskin · 26/01/2024 00:27

Someone has to lead the various countries, unless of course humanity wants a One world govt instead ?

Men- bonkers, extremist, controlling, fascist , misogynistic, power-mad, violent, war-mongering, men.