To wonder why people aren’t worried about this??

[Mummytotwonow]

https://news.sky.com/story/time-to-think-the-unthinkable-and-consider-uk-conscription-says-britains-former-top-nato-commander-13056148

Sorry if I’ve missed any threads on this.

It’s not just sky news reporting this but for days now in the media this is being raised.

AIBU - to be extremely worried and concerned about this?

Is anyone else not worried?? Are we being prepared ready as “the higher up” know more and the threat is bigger than we’re told.

what age would it be from and to??

l‘m so scared for the world our children are growing up in 😢

That's not what dead cat bounce means. It means

a temporary recovery in share prices after a substantial fall, caused by speculators buying in order to cover their positions:

I only know this as It was the answer to an exam question for me

They blame the "Anglo Saxons" as they call us for forcing them to invade Ukraine and murder Ukraine

Interesting so many people say that they wouldn’t let their children fight for this country, and that they would rather live under whatever regime the invading force imposed.

Have you any idea what invasion involves?

Imagine you’re the leader of an invading army. When you arrive on the shore of the target country you want to advance as far as possible with as little resistance as possible. You’ve heard that the locals don’t want to fight, that they have publicly stated they will submit, but can you be really sure that’s true? Is it worth the risk to go in without a plan? What if they change their minds?

Who is most likely to put up a viable resistance? Due to size, weight and strength differences that’s generally young men. So, who are you going to target first? Round up some of the local men where you land, kill or torture them and ensure that no one is tempted to put up any form of resistance. Do this in every town you reach.

Rape the women and girls, it’s a terror tactic of war as old as time itself. If the husbands, partners or fathers try to intervene kill them. And then kill the women they were defending.

Impose restrictions on movement and ban freedom of assembly, at least until everyone has given up all hope of being free. Make the demands for compliance onerous, that way when you loosen your grip people are fooled into thinking that they have their liberty back.

Ban discussions about life before invasion unless it follows the party line - life was bad before, but now we love our new society. If access to communications poses a risk to successful compliance by the locals then deny them access to it. Elderly people can be dangerous, they remember the time before complacency, when people helped their neighbours and believed in being proud of the freedoms accorded to them by their country. Make it known that reminiscing can lead to imprisonment. If no one can remember the Before time, then no one can reliably judge whether things are better or worse.

The last country-wide invasion of England was in 1066. For the last thousand years the citizens have generally considered invasion to be undesirable and understood that in order to repel invaders it was necessary to maintain a trained force of fighting age men in sufficient numbers to make a difference.

Apathy to defend against invaders, coupled with insiders trying to overthrow the existing system gave us William of Orange.

Not really comparable to Putin, was he?

i always thought a land war means to seize that country & take over. Putin doesn’t want the U.K. he wants to bring us to our knees so we can’t help Ukraine. At this point it won’t take much to get us on our knees to be fair.

People would fight. The propaganda beforehand would ensure that.

I am really worried about it and have been since the Ukraine thing started and then Israel, and now Iraq's involvement but every time I say that I have been shouted down by MNet know-alls on the Ukraine and Israel threads saying it won't come to that.

They have been saying Putin would be defeated within weeks since the start of the invasion and that he has bern weakened, his army were deserting him, he would be 'taken out' etc but here we are and he is making progress at the minute and shows no sign of being defeated.

Things in Europe seem even more fragile to me- Sweden/Finland joining the EU from fear of Russia and making statements about war, Belarus and their support for Russia and willingness to be used as a base in Europe by Russia. Sanctions seem to have achieved nothing.

My concern has always been about the longer this goes on and the more we give Ukraine weapons, the fewer weapons we have in reserve- us, Eu, Nato, US.

And now Israel. I am sick of the Middle East and the volatility and their apparent willingness for them all to get worked up and join in. Israel are disgraceful in how far they have gone but so are Hammas and Iraq and Iran and the Palestinians. They all inflame the situation and all want their own way at any cost. They are not peaceful nations. Now we have Yemen and the Houthis .

I'm sick of the US and their taking charge of everything- they are achieving nothing in Israel, nothing.

And then there is us- our pathetic little country. We are nothing, not in Europe or on the world stage and we can not get past this idea from our colonial past that we are some sort of power axis. We're nothing. Everything about this country is shot to shit. We have a piddling military (16 ships), reduced force sizes in the navy, army and air force, those we have are not fit enough to fight in many cases. We won't even be able to produce any steel needed for weapons because we have no heavy industry left.

The whole thing is pathetic as far as we are concerned. This government will be totally unprepared for any crisis. The NHS was at the point of shut down over a cold virus. It would never cope with anything really serious. Today's news is the EU is block-buying medication to stockpile for all EU countries.As ever our government is nowhere and has now lost out and we are looking at big prescription drug shortages- bigger than we have now.

And it looks like the US are going to re-elect Trump. How stupid are they?

I was here.
That wasn’t a dictatorship
You should try out China or HongKong after the hand over. I’ve lived in both

Coatrack you'd be one of those getting a shock if you actually found yourself under a dictatorship. There's a real world out there that facebook hasn't prepared you for.

Your government tried to save your life. Even if we agreed they could have done a better job that was the point. They faced resistance in the form of people who think viruses are a myth and vaccines contain computer chips.

Shortly there will be an election and you can vote for a different government. Because this is a democracy.

My friend in Israel did not return to Canada after Hamas attacked even though she's Canadian. All three of her daughters instead decided to join the military.

My ds and I have talked about if Canada ever went to war and he would want to fight. Granted he's only 12 now. I would want to fight too.

If this ever happened you might find your son's and daughters want to join the military and fight for their freedom.

I'd rather die personally than live under Russian regime.

Well I do wonder what would happen if they were expected to go onto the front line first tbh! But I meant more the government has been well aware of the issues with Putin for the past 20+ years and it seems nothing has happened to ease relations, if anything it seems we (or Europe have been dependent on Russia for energy), I’d have just hoped/expected the government would have done something more strategic and/or diplomatic to avoid a situation of conscription, but tbh it isn’t going to happen anyway, and everything is a lot more technical these days.

That’s Very rude! And completely uncalled for.

Well there could be a lot of reasons for it suddenly becoming an issue. There's a lot of fear around Trump being elected and people responding to the threat of that, also the military could be pushing the government to provide more funding and Sunak could be trying to disguise his troubled leadership of the tory party by making us look elsewhere.

But no doubt there are a lot of challenges so it could be possible. Hopefully Putin will be dead by then and Russia will have collapsed...

Did you not (erroneously) say I had a sexist and old-fashioned attitude based on a poor reading of my post?

During WW2 many hundreds of people across Europe risked their lives by hiding Jewish people. If found out they risked being killed.

The Jews were hated by Hitler.

Gay people are hated by Putin.

How many of you would risk your lives to hide your gay friends?

Would you expect your friends to hide your gay children?

Or is it better to accept the inevitable, keep your head down and not get involved? They may be your friends and family, but they’re not worth fighting over, right?

Read my post
i said it was a sexist ‘turn of phrase’. That’s not a personal attack on you!

i did not misunderstand your post at all. You seem to have backtracked on it for good reason though.

There is no reason to make personal attacks on people abilities on a forum.

It gains nothing other than a lack of respect.

Please stop.

Tbh, this generation are totally unequipped to cope with conscription. A lot of our young are emotionally stunted compared to previous generations, if we have to rely on them to defend our country we’re screwed. So we need to accept that we will absolutely not do well in a conventional war.

So all those who gave their lives their sons their husbands & brothers, for nothing so you can be ruled by Russia.

Do you think your generation is better placed

I’m not sure why anyone bar armed forces thinks they can judge

Absolutely!

We are far more unfit aswell
A More sedentary lifestyle hasn’t exactly made people super fit.

Oh my gosh this. So much this.

An American model Rain Dove Assembled a team and went to Ukraine to rescue lgbtq people. I'm still amazed at their bravery.

They recently went to Gaza to help as well.

That kind of bravery and selfishness is so needed in this world.

I hope I would do the same in similar circumstances for my country.

MNers are always scaremongering.

Why are you so sure people would refuse? If the provocation were enough men would come forward.

Yep. This.

He wants the government to spend more money on defence. Scaring the public is the most effective way of achieving this.

A huge proportion of the Ukrainian frontlines are made up of civvies well as professionals. Men and women, many in the younger age bracket (20 to 45) and who were living lives much like our own young people, who had never held a gun, are now frontliners. They are fighting because they know what living under a Russian regime would entail for the people. There isn't a choice in such matters. Putin cannot be allowed to succeed and he will not succeed.

I don't do social media.

5G
They locked us down and took away our right to stand in a field well before any vaccines were released.

your government tried to save your life

Spoken like a true dictator.
The mid-century moustache man just wanted to protect Germans from being exploited and to regain stolen territory, don't you know. (@Justpontificating before you say anything, this is rhetorical; I am not actually a socialist).

Even if good intentions weren't a complete lie, I think CS Lewis put it quite well:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."