To think we’ll have a new PM/election sooner than expected?

[Chocolatefrogs]

Have seen lots of stuff in the news this week about plotting to replace Rishi Sunak with a new Tory leader. I know there’s always lots of talk in the news about Tory in-fighting (especially given all the govt leadership challenges we’ve had in the last few years) but I think we are actually quite likely to get a new leader in the next few months, before the planned general election. AIBU?

It’s the tories that are the problem, not Sunak.
Guessing May. (month, not Theresa 😁 though after the f**ing idiots that followed her, she seems like a solid choice!)

I'm hoping they elect Nadine Dorries as the next PM, just for a laugh (might as well).

The Tory rebels don't want to make the party electable. They are trying to get their names in the media whilst they look for new jobs.

I'm fairly sure Rishi is doing the same.

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I'm hoping they elect Nadine Dorries as the next PM, just for a laugh (might as well)

She isn’t an MP. Though I suppose they could get round it as they have with Cameron.

She isn’t an MP. Though I suppose they could get round it as they have with Cameron.

Don't need to be an MP to be PM, just leader of the largest party. You can tell I've done some thinking about this.

I think that by December we will have both Boris and Trump back 🤣🤣🤣

I agree. I’m pretty certain Trump will come back, and I also think Boris will edge his way back in. I also wouldn’t say no to the possibility of Suella Braverman getting back into government. This is all so depressing. It’s shitty beyond belief.

There’s no way the public will tolerate another change of PM without a GE.

If his position becomes even more untenable, he’ll call a GE (we can only fucking hope it’s soon, so we can oust the self serving, evil bastard Nasty Party).

Surely they will leave Rishi in place to take the blame for their inevitable election loss. What new leader is going to want to take responsibility for that?

I wish I could have the same faith that Tories will be wiped out but not so sure.

I’ve got family and wider friends who voted Tory and Brexit, have been totally fucked up by both, are angry that the sunlit uplands and low taxes have not arrived, are getting poorer by the month and will still vote Tory at the GE because they think Labour will be ‘too soft on immigrants and benefits scammers’.

Some of them ARE immigrants and get benefits. You can’t reason with that kind of logic and there are far more people who vote based on ‘I’d rather they keep shooting me in the foot if it means they shoot someone else in both feet’ than we realise.

For what it’s worth I won’t be voting either Labour or Tory as they are now two cheeks of the same arse for me, so I’ll be going green or indie in a safe Labour seat candidacy, who is socially, culturally and fiscally right of centre.

I think 30p Lee Anderson would happily come back after his regrets over quitting over Rwanda.

Tax cuts in March and then a review to see how popular that's made them. If it's worked, a snap election while feeling has softened towards them.

If it's not worked, hang on until later in the year.

That's what I think they'll do.

They'd be mad to oust Sunak now (regardless of how ineffective he is) because it's never a good look to dump (yet another) leader before an election. But then, they ARE mad so, who knows?

They're a laughing stock now. Even a self stated Tory voting Question Time audience was laughing at them. When even your own voters are laughing at you you're done.

And this is England where boot licking to the Tories is a religion for millions.

...and yes, I think Trump is coming back.

They are deluded if they think a change of leader can turn things around now. On Question Time the audience were laughing at the Tory MP on the panel in pure contempt.

If you think sir Keir will do any of this you need your head examined

You are joking right? You will not be able to see a GP any more under labour than you are now.

Ah ok, I’ll vote tory then 🙄

I’m 100% sure we won’t rejoin the EU under Keir Starmer. If we did, there would be public outrage, as people who voted for Brexit would be furious that their wish had not been granted.

I didn’t vote for Brexit, and I don’t agree with the fact that the Leave campaign was built on mistrust and lies - and that the Leave side got away with it and were not pulled up on it in any way.

Having said that though, I can completely understand where Leave voters would be coming from. They had their reasons for wanting to leave the EU and their wish was granted via the referendum.

Also, it’s not their fault it was run completely
incompetently - by both the Leave and Remain sides. The Remain side were too naive and blasé, thinking it would be a walk in the park for them to victory, so they didn’t prepare enough or effectively enough. The Leave side were far more strategic and prepared, but they chose to lie in their campaigning from the start to end.

It would be very unfair if we rejoined the EU without another referendum (and I think everyone is tired of referendums, elections, leadership contests and general political upheaval!)

You are joking right? You will not be able to see a GP any more under labour than you are now.

It's no joke and if you ask older people they will tell you it's true. I'm too young to remember myself, but loads of my older relatives tell me that back in the 90s and 00s when Labour was in charge, the NHS had no waiting times and you could see your doctor anytime. None of this ringing up and waiting in a queue.
Keir will prioritise this because it is no. 1 on most people's list. Let's put a pin in it and revisit in 2 years time and you will see. I can't wait!

@2016MyLove it’s taken over a decade for the tories to dismantle the NHS to the current level and they have broken it beyond repair. No one, not Starmer, not god himself, could return it to glory days in 2 years. If that’s your expectation you are going to be sorely disappointed.

The money isn’t there now and it won’t be there post GE because the coffers have been drained dry by the pocket filling tories and their cronies.

Labour will inherit a country on its knees, in the teeth of the worst cost of living crisis in living memory with global inflation and a financial market about to collapse. We’ll still be outside the EU and bottom of the list for pharma deals and overseas staff.

The best we can hope for the first Labour term is for them to stop it getting worse.

I really worry that people don’t understand just how fucked this country is because of the Tories. It’s not that they are choosing to stop spending money on public services. The money is gone. To Baroness Mone and US healthcare companies and off shore accounts. We have been systemically robbed in full view and without shame or remorse, and people have been fine with it because at least the Tories hate foreigners.

I remember this (born in the 90s). I remember going to see the GP one day as a kid (same day apppintment), and another time, my sibling went to A&E with a fracture and they were seen fairly quickly. The current situation is just completely unsustainable and insane.

Yeah it's terrible

But the populations has expanded, medicine has changed, people are living longer with co-morbidities, fewer GPs. We are never going back to the previous system.

But I think @2016MyLove is pulling our legs!!

It's the tories.

They will grimly hold onto power until the very last fucking moment.