Non Kennel Club Lab

[purplemonkey12]

More of a WIBU! We got a Lab puppy in October. At the time, they were advertised as KC-registered Labs. The breeder sent us the details of both the mother and father and we saw both dogs. We paid 1300 for the puppy (which is a lot for us!). The vendor told us that she was in the process of registering the puppies and would send us the details.
I'm not quite sure what's happened with the vendor, but she seems to have had a bit of a meltdown (I think a family crisis) - and either hasn't or can't register the puppies. I'm honestly not sure what's going on. She's stopped responding to texts etc. A friend of ours also has one of the puppies and she's not responding to them either. We (obvs) love our puppy, but we also might want to breed from her and so the KC registration is important. Just not quite sure where to go from here! Any thoughts?!

. I am thinking you’ve been had -

i don’t see the OP as being “had”

She took the puppy home knowing it had not been registered. The OP is not innocent in this

What makes you think you’re so important to make money off someone else’s womb???

Poor fucking dog. Pure greed.

Sadly you were robbed. I paid exactly that, £1300, for a KC registered puppy, with all health and genetic testing, and documentation, from a very well known breeder who is absolutely against breeders like the one you purchased from, charging extortionate prices.

Butvyoubsaid very early on that you 'might want to breed from her'.

Why?

A breeder owning both mum and dad dogs should have been a big red flag.

Has the pup been micro chipped and the reg papers for that to be put in your name sent to you?

Has she had her vets health check cert.?

You don't know me, the breeder, nor what I required. At the time, this was the going rate. And it wasn't during the pandemic.

Name change fail?

The puppies should have been registered before you even brought them home - they should also have come with four weeks' free insurance through the Kennel Club.

As for what you can do now - well, not much, really. Puppy was sold "as seen" and you knew it wasn't registered when you handed over the money.

Correct, I don't know you. I was simply basing the points you listed as comparable, but of course if you had a whole other list of stuff to justify the additional price then I'm sure you're very comfortable with that.

But, by the same token, don't imply that the OP cannot possibly have a KC registered puppy, microchipped exactly as it should be, and with all proper health and genetic testing for the price she paid. Because she absolutely can and should 🙃

All of this should have been sorted before you got her.

Whilst the breeder may genuinely be the owner of the dam and therefore have the correct paperwork, the KC do have rules that may prevent your particular litter from being registered such as age of the dam and number of previous litters.

I didn't say that. The point the OP was concerned about was the lack of registration process. Price was a secondary consideration. OP could have got the same price puppy as you with a KC registration but it appears that OP hasn't.

I've recently bought a KC puppy, not a lab mind.
I saw his reg certificate when I first met him at 3 weeks old and at that point, as I was the first to see the litter, I was given a choice of already registered KC Names. When I came home i was able to put his KC name into the club website and see his details and lineage.

When I collected him I was given a pack from the Kennel Club, a copy of his certificates and 5 weeks KC insurance. I then needed to change his registered keeper on the website to me.

Thats how it should work, registered not long after birth. I'd guess there were too many previous litters for her to register the dog. If you can remember parents names you might find some details on the site, but its unlikely at this point your dog is registered sadly.

puppy farm breeders attract individuals with similar inclinations

How many puppies in the litter, OP? I know of a breeder who didn’t register a small litter because that would count towards the total litters allowed under KC rules and the number of puppies wouldn’t give them the financial yield they required. So they just didn’t declare it. They never claimed the puppies were or would be KC registered though.

We know the shoot where she works her dogs

LOL if you think someone must be a responsible breeder because she works her dogs at a shoot. That doesn't make her any less likely to be dodgy.

My Lab lad (now 4) came without papers but I saw mum and dad and all of their papers. The lady selling was from a gamekeeping background and her father bred both my lads mum and dad and allowed her to take one litter from them. My lads dad was a top KC winner and had a background of being a top gundog and due to this her father didn't want the line diluting or messed with by random folks who just wanted to breed for the money aspect. As I wasn't interested in breeding and just wanted a family pet this worked for me as he was also a chunk cheaper due to the conditions.
Before anyone asks did I do lots of checks before buying from them, damn right I did and I'd have done the FBI proud. We now have an amazing neutered dog who we adore to bits, has a good nature second to none and has passed every health check he's ever had.
Please don't breed for the sake of money OP and please get her spayed for her own health and wellbeing after her first year.

That was exceptionally cheap for a KC registered lab, OP.

Ours was £3000 in 2021. Working black lab from KC reg working black lab lines. Paperwork was done well before we collected her. Breeder invites the whole litter back to the farm every Nov so the litter mates can meet up and be with their mum.

i’m confused

he came with a load of health conditions so he was a “chunk cheaper”

and yet he was “passed every health check he’s ever had”

and given how you describe the breeder, i’m curious as to why they simply didn’t get your puppy KC registered?

I’m actually not sure this is always true. The breeder of two of my labs owned both mum and dad of my youngest. Dad of my middle lab was owned by another breeder and she owned mum. Whether she used her own stud dogs depended what she wanted out of the litter- ie a background with working lines in or purely show lines.

I don’t think she’s a puppy farm…..

But that aside- all parents easily found on the KC website, with relevant health test results up to date. Litter was registered prior to collection and I was sent forms in the post in order to change ownership details with the KC. And as a poster has stated above, they both came with contracts stating they had breeding endorsements on them. As in, I couldn’t register any puppies from them with the KC without the endorsement being lifted.

Have you tried searching for your dogs registered name on the Kennel Club website, OP? Or the parents?

It doesn't mean the dog is from a puppy farm. It does sound like you have been scammed though. £1300 is cheap for a kennel club registered pup. The most important thing over KC registration would be the health checks. Hips, eyes etc.

2021 was during the period that dogs were going for silly prices . You can pick up a KC reg lab for £900 upwards now .

Owning mum and dad indicates convenient breeding not waiting for the dogs to mature and choosing a good match. The poster above talking about not diluting the line seems to be describing in-breeding. Good breeders take a lot of care in selecting the best sire, they don't just breed 2 of their own dogs.

a breeder who doesn’t KC register
is not a breeder that progresses the health checks

Or an accidental mating of related dogs. Did you not look them up to check their history. Did you get told what your dogs pedigree name is as you can look it up online.