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To ask for a refund as holiday has changed substantially?

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Loveabathtub · 19/01/2024 12:47

Not really a AIBU, more can anyone help me with where we might stand legally?

We booked a tailor made holiday through a company called Dial A Flight on 23.09.2023. It was to be a holiday of a lifetime that straddled the exact dates of February half term, my birthday and Valentines day. It cost a considerable sum of money. It took weeks to plan and book and involved choosing direct flights to Mauritius where we would stay for 4 nights before flying onto Johannesburg from where we would travel directly onto our safari lodge. There we would spend a further four nights before flying on a direct overnight flight home.

However, yesterday we received a phone call to say that the flight between Mauritius and Johannesburg had been cancelled which meant that we would now only spend 3 nights in Mauritius and would then have to spend one night in Johannesburg before flying onto safari.

This is bitterly disappointing. We would never have booked or paid out so much money to travel all the way to Mauritius for just three nights. Neither would we have ever booked to stay one night in Johannesburg. I certainly do not relish packing and unpacking three times over the course of a week for me and my children. The holiday company are suggesting we change dates but this does not work with school holidays. They say we cannot get a refund just for the Mauritius hotel. Neither could we fly directly straight to Johannesburg from UK without considerable extra costs. We feel that this holiday has now turned into something we would never dream of booking.

We paid Dial a Flight for a specific holiday that we have in writing as being as being four nights in a specific Mauritius followed by four nights at a in a specific safari lodge in South Africa, it is now turning into something completely different. To add to this Dial a Flight are expecting us to shoulder all extra costs and losses.

We would like a full refund to be able to reconsider and rebook at another date. Dial a Flight say this is not possible as they have found an alternative flight that will be less than seven hours delay on the original. However due to the knock on effect on the connecting transfers this new flight results in more than a 24 hour delay in getting to safari.

Our contract is with Dial a Flight. We booked the whole thing as a package. We were only informed of this yesterday, three weeks before travel is about to take place. Can anyone help advise us of our rights?

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Delatron · 21/01/2024 15:06

I’d say switching a night in a lovely hotel in Mauritius to one of the most dangerous cities in the world is quite a big issue and has a huge impact to the holiday which is only an 8 day holiday.

whiteshutters · 21/01/2024 15:30

notimagain · 21/01/2024 12:43

@whiteshutters
I think the company were being ambitious selling you the holiday without a night over as to get two flights in a day is a big ask.

Can't agree with that TBH, that sort of itinerary isn't ambitious and should be well within the capability of any decent travel company.

All around the world, everyday, countless numbers of people regularly connect between pairs of flights.: long haul>short haul, short haul>long haul etc etc...getting two flights in a day is absolutely normal...

The trick is making sure the connections are feasible (timing) and robust. That's where maybe the travel company has fallen down.

and that is exactly what I was saying knowing the area and flight times. We're not talking about hubs like Chicago or London.

gemma19846 · 21/01/2024 17:23

I wouldnt take kids (or myself) to Jburg its not safe at all. If you insist on going then change the dates and take the kids out of school

LavvieB · 21/01/2024 17:24

Not the end of the world to cancel all of it. These things happen. Not the travel agents fault. I get it’s disruptive but make the most. Also are you aware you need the full original birth certificates for each child to enter South Africa? I saw US people getting in big stress when we went to Joburg via Paris.

WilhelminaC · 21/01/2024 18:09

Is the company ABTA covered?
& did you pay by credit card or through your bank?
I would contact them and say you did not get what you paid for , & they have not given you any acceptable alternatives,
remind them you have children & you cannot accept such a disruption
keep any correspondence you gave as you may need to forward it in good luck

KeepingItReal2017 · 21/01/2024 18:35

I’ve worked in the travel industry. check the ts and call. But that isn’t a major change. Your itinerary is multiple destinations and an airline can change the day or route if it’s flight and it’s totally out of the tour operators hands.

they have offered you a suitable alternative. Ask if there are any alternatives, ie, leave a day earlier etc. but they will have checked the best options before suggesting the new itinerary.

ask for a guided tour of Jo’berg to make the most of the change.

3/4 nights in Mauritius is not wholly different, presume you’re just going for the beach. But if you want to make the most of your time there book a guided tour to Chamarel Mountains and 7 coloured earth.

pollymere · 21/01/2024 18:37

When booking in advance there is the problem that flight schedules haven't usually been announced - same with train bookings. If a supplier alters their timetable or cancels a route there is not much that can be done other than a frantic scrabble to find suitable alternatives.

I used to book people from London City to Rotterdam all the time and we had a shedload going to a conference in the Hague all booked months in advance. Which was great until the airline decided it wasn't economical about a month before and suddenly we were looking for flights from Heathrow to Amsterdam along with all the other people going.

It doesn't seem right on a package holiday that you should incur costs as I'd expect it to be based on the price you got at the time of booking is the price you pay - think of the times you book then find it's selling on a deal far cheaper - you don't see them giving out refunds! They should be prepared to absorb the extra costs or give you a full refund. Being asked for a whole load more money seems unacceptable to me. You are not getting the holiday you booked.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/01/2024 18:55

I’ve worked in the travel industry. check the ts and call. But that isn’t a major change.

Says Who? That seems to be a matter of opinion. ^
^

Your itinerary is multiple destinations and an airline can change the day or route if it’s flight and it’s totally out of the tour operators hands.
they have offered you a suitable alternative

Once again says who? a matter of opinion.

Very much a 'computer says no ' type of response.
All signed , sealed and press send by someone behind a key board without the slightest thought to what the customer actually wants.

ErinBell01 · 21/01/2024 19:08

DialaFlight is ATOL and ABTA registered therefore if your holiday changes substantially you are able to demand all your money back.
At the start of covid we were booked on a cruise going to Singapore but they locked down so we couldn’t dock. I was getting nervous and wanted to cancel anyway and went to TA to do so. They said we couldn’t, I insisted and they phoned Celebrity who also said we couldn’t. I’d written stuff down for girl to tell them and they agreed and we got every penny back.
you losing a day of your holiday and having a day where you don’t want to be is substantial. It doesn’t matter the reason. Either they make it right or you get all your money back. Good luck

Illagain275 · 21/01/2024 19:55

How can you say it’s not a big change? It’s a massive change, I’m sure you would be annoyed if somebody cut off 25% of your holiday and told you to stay elsewhere instead!

Illagain275 · 21/01/2024 19:56

sorry ⬆️⬆️⬆️ I thought that I was replying directly to a pp.

DappledThings · 21/01/2024 20:05

Illagain275 · 21/01/2024 19:56

sorry ⬆️⬆️⬆️ I thought that I was replying directly to a pp.

Annoyingly the reply button on here doesn't actually make a reply, just a new post. You have to find the quote button under the three dots.

Delatron · 21/01/2024 20:13

For sure a guided tour of Jo’berg will make up for a lost day in Mauritius, very similar.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/01/2024 20:43

For sure a guided tour of Jo’berg will make up for a lost day in Mauritius, very similar.

yes very, very similar. You probably won't even notice the difference.

Ohhbaby · 22/01/2024 10:14

Bookworm1111 · 19/01/2024 14:15

Jo'burg is not a safe city – I say that as someone who once lived there – so I wouldn't want to spend a night there with children on what's supposed to be a dream holiday. Fine to travel through the airport to get a connecting flight, but not to stay. For that reason alone I would want a refund.

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I live in Joburg with my to kids ATM.
Lots to do. Not the safest place in the world, but equally so London/chicago/ Buenos Aires isn't the safest and loads of people live there? And go there on holiday

ISSTIUTNG · 22/01/2024 10:49

Ohhbaby · 22/01/2024 10:14

I live in Joburg with my to kids ATM.
Lots to do. Not the safest place in the world, but equally so London/chicago/ Buenos Aires isn't the safest and loads of people live there? And go there on holiday

Jo'burg cannot be compared to London. There's definitely areas of London that are rough but not even close to Jo'Burg and not where tourists would typically travel. The city of London where most of the attractions are is on the whole very safe. I've been out with my 4YO at 10pm in London and felt safer there than 5pm in my home town.

SocksMcR · 22/01/2024 12:43

I personally wouldn't feel safe in Joburg unless I had done considerable research myself on the hotel and surrounding area.

And probably not even then tbh. It's fine if you're a local and know where to tread, but it's not a place that tourists can amble around in.

sunglassesonthetable · 22/01/2024 13:10

But a City is very very different from a Beach environment.

Especially with children.

LouDeLou · 22/01/2024 13:13

I’m quite surprised at the amount of people saying you’re nearly getting what you paid for!?

Mate, when I shell out it better be exactly what I paid for or all hell breaks loose.

I don’t have money to spend on nearly.

Good luck with any claim - be persistent!

wronginalltherightways · 22/01/2024 16:36

Any luck with the travel company, OP?

Fairhsa · 23/01/2024 02:48

This is what travel insurance is for

ChedderGorgeous · 23/01/2024 04:38

The original schedule is crazy anyway.

Densol57 · 23/01/2024 04:52

I think its a major change
Forget MNs who "think" its ok 🤣
Look up the law and ask on Moneysaving expert forums.

I was flying to Poland on Sun. The flight changed from Gatwick north to Gatwick south. We didn't now want to go anyway. The airline stated it was a "disrupted" flight and offered to refund for what was really a totally insignificant change.

I would NOT want to stay in South Africa either. And they want you to pay the costs

Oh and write a scathing but factually and truthful correct review on Trustpilot about it now. That always works 👍🏼 I see they ANSWER their one star reviews ( not very politely either but those clearly worry them )

Good luck - what a disaster 😢

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LT1982 · 23/01/2024 06:42

I wouldn't personally class this as a major change. For one night in a different place why would you need to unpack and repack everything?

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