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To ask for a refund as holiday has changed substantially?

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Loveabathtub · 19/01/2024 12:47

Not really a AIBU, more can anyone help me with where we might stand legally?

We booked a tailor made holiday through a company called Dial A Flight on 23.09.2023. It was to be a holiday of a lifetime that straddled the exact dates of February half term, my birthday and Valentines day. It cost a considerable sum of money. It took weeks to plan and book and involved choosing direct flights to Mauritius where we would stay for 4 nights before flying onto Johannesburg from where we would travel directly onto our safari lodge. There we would spend a further four nights before flying on a direct overnight flight home.

However, yesterday we received a phone call to say that the flight between Mauritius and Johannesburg had been cancelled which meant that we would now only spend 3 nights in Mauritius and would then have to spend one night in Johannesburg before flying onto safari.

This is bitterly disappointing. We would never have booked or paid out so much money to travel all the way to Mauritius for just three nights. Neither would we have ever booked to stay one night in Johannesburg. I certainly do not relish packing and unpacking three times over the course of a week for me and my children. The holiday company are suggesting we change dates but this does not work with school holidays. They say we cannot get a refund just for the Mauritius hotel. Neither could we fly directly straight to Johannesburg from UK without considerable extra costs. We feel that this holiday has now turned into something we would never dream of booking.

We paid Dial a Flight for a specific holiday that we have in writing as being as being four nights in a specific Mauritius followed by four nights at a in a specific safari lodge in South Africa, it is now turning into something completely different. To add to this Dial a Flight are expecting us to shoulder all extra costs and losses.

We would like a full refund to be able to reconsider and rebook at another date. Dial a Flight say this is not possible as they have found an alternative flight that will be less than seven hours delay on the original. However due to the knock on effect on the connecting transfers this new flight results in more than a 24 hour delay in getting to safari.

Our contract is with Dial a Flight. We booked the whole thing as a package. We were only informed of this yesterday, three weeks before travel is about to take place. Can anyone help advise us of our rights?

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Mrsttcno1 · 19/01/2024 13:39

It all comes down to the specific wording of the contract, terms & conditions.

Many people don’t read them all properly before booking (which is no surprise as usually there are 100’s of pages!) and just tick “agree and continue”. It does mean though, if they have in their terms and conditions that they are able to do this, then then can, and it’s as simple as that.

I wouldn’t be surprised as it doesn’t sound like a huge change and would almost certainly come under whatever “changes and amendments” they would cover themselves for in t’s & c’s.

LIZS · 19/01/2024 13:45

Can you stay a night longer in Mauritius or start the safari a day sooner? The main issue seems to be the night in Johannesburg and extra cost. What tolerance is allowable within the t and cs?

AgentJohnson · 19/01/2024 14:02

You need to read the T&C’s. Your itinerary does sound overly ambitious (completely knackering) and flights get cancelled and changed with alarming regularity, that is outside of your agents control.

I understand your disappointment but your itinerary given its complexity had no wiggle room. By all means, challenge your estate agents but cancelling completely will incur charges that you will probably will be responsible for.

NoKateMoss · 19/01/2024 14:05

I'm also confused about your schedule so hard to comment. Also hard to say if you're liable without reading the T&Cs of your booking.

DappledThings · 19/01/2024 14:09

It really wasn't changed "substantially". That's a big exaggeration.

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 14:09

tenbob · 19/01/2024 13:31

She won’t..! There is absolutely no value in a day in joburg

I take it you know it well? I've never been there.

But I've been stuck in all sorts of unexpected places for odd days (travelled a lot for work) and there's usually something worth looking at, visiting or just enjoying the difference. Are there any monuments, museums, parks, shopping centres, local markets, interesting food, nothing? Any nice hotels with swimming pools, quiet day to relax before the safari. Or is it really dangerous there or something.

disappearingfish · 19/01/2024 14:13

I agree with OP, I would not be at all happy with those changes. To have what is effectively a lost day in the middle of the holiday is shit. And it now costs even more!!

Nokiu · 19/01/2024 14:13

AgentJohnson · 19/01/2024 14:02

You need to read the T&C’s. Your itinerary does sound overly ambitious (completely knackering) and flights get cancelled and changed with alarming regularity, that is outside of your agents control.

I understand your disappointment but your itinerary given its complexity had no wiggle room. By all means, challenge your estate agents but cancelling completely will incur charges that you will probably will be responsible for.

This. When you do such a tight schedule on a multi centre holiday the effect of any external factors negatively impacting your travel is greater.

I think you really needed 10 nights if you were going to do both in one trip. To be honest I think you're going to be exhausted either way.

I don't know what recourse you have, could ask them to cover the extra costs as a gesture of goodwill, however the cancellation is not their fault and they have offered an alternative which still covers both locations.

DappledThings · 19/01/2024 14:15

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 14:09

I take it you know it well? I've never been there.

But I've been stuck in all sorts of unexpected places for odd days (travelled a lot for work) and there's usually something worth looking at, visiting or just enjoying the difference. Are there any monuments, museums, parks, shopping centres, local markets, interesting food, nothing? Any nice hotels with swimming pools, quiet day to relax before the safari. Or is it really dangerous there or something.

2 minutes on Google found 4 interesting looking museums. So yes, maybe that poster knows something about dangers that make visiting them untenable but there clearly otherwise isn't "no value".

I'm with you, can't imagine anywhere being entirely devoid of places of interest.

Bookworm1111 · 19/01/2024 14:15

Jo'burg is not a safe city – I say that as someone who once lived there – so I wouldn't want to spend a night there with children on what's supposed to be a dream holiday. Fine to travel through the airport to get a connecting flight, but not to stay. For that reason alone I would want a refund.

Fedupmumofadultsons · 19/01/2024 14:16

All I can think of is all that way for one week .jings you will be knackered .but yes it's not what you asked or paid for

Nokiu · 19/01/2024 14:20

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 14:09

I take it you know it well? I've never been there.

But I've been stuck in all sorts of unexpected places for odd days (travelled a lot for work) and there's usually something worth looking at, visiting or just enjoying the difference. Are there any monuments, museums, parks, shopping centres, local markets, interesting food, nothing? Any nice hotels with swimming pools, quiet day to relax before the safari. Or is it really dangerous there or something.

There are really high rates of violent crime.
One of my friends who is a doctor did a placement there to get experience in managing stabbing and shooting injuries.
Realistically they'd be dropped at a hotel with security.

I had to spend one random night in Bangkok; I stayed in a nice hotel, swam in their pool, and availed myself of some cocktails. That's viable for them to do surely.

GothConversionTherapy · 19/01/2024 14:27

Adding to the chorus of read the t&cs, we can't tell you anything. I wouldn't be happy with the change either though.

YireosDodeAver · 19/01/2024 14:28

You're being very over-dramatic. It's only one night's difference. I would never dream of booking to go to Mauritius for so little as 4 nights but it's not that much different from 3. I don't think you can argue that the whole holiday is ruined. You don't need to unpack in Jo'burg if you all have your overnight things in your hand luggage.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 19/01/2024 14:29

I would start at the reasons for the cancellation of the flight...
Depending on that, I'd study the T&C's carefully and see if you can get your Hotel Room and Dinner paid fot in J'burg.

I've had similar hppen to me once, good reviews for travel company and I paid a lot for the holiday.... had a 8 hour minibus ride across some dessert style plains instead of an hour hour long internal flight.

I did get pack lunch lunch & dinner at the destination airport- so it was mainly an inconvenience and a few extra hours travel time in order to catch the scheduled plane home.

notimagain · 19/01/2024 14:31

I went to Jo'burg a fair bit over the years, I have relatives living an hours drive away from the centre but I'm afraid I have to agree with both @Bookworm1111 and @tenbob .

It's really not somewhere that you can idly wander around, casually people watching....you can even get into serious (and I mean serious) trouble quickly just a minute or two's walk away from the front door of your safe and secure hotel.

If I was in the OP's shoes I'd be pretty unhappy at the proposed change in itinerary, especially if the night stop hotel is in the city centre, but if the change has been forced by a flight cancellation there's maybe not much that can be done.

StrawberryJellyBelly · 19/01/2024 14:32

It doesnt matter one little bit if the op
has booked a holiday others wouldn’t book for the various reasons posted. The fact is that she has and it’s perfectly doable. End of.

disappearingfish · 19/01/2024 14:33

Dessert style plains sound delicious to be fair 😉

Adviceplease123456 · 19/01/2024 14:34

The company will have details on what a substantial change entails. I doubt that counts as substantial enough to let you cancel.
also it’s not dial a flights fault the flight schedule changed either - so why should they shoulder extra costs for it? They’ll be liable for cancellation fees if you cancel so they can’t just give you a refund. They offered you to change date - you can’t, fine, so they have sorted the next best plan.
also echo the PP how 4 night beach and 4 nights safari took weeks to plan!
you’ll still have a great time - be annoyed, get over it, and look forward and have an amazing time without letting this taint it

Tabsysnook · 19/01/2024 14:37

I was going to say check the Regs, @@ChazsBrilliantAttitude has already linked them.

TeenDivided · 19/01/2024 14:37

I'd opt to stay in Sun City rather than Jo'Burg.

I don't think you can argue substantial change, but it is clearly not what you requested so i'd try for discount / night in Jo'Burg to be free upgrade or something.

Which location are you going to for the safari?

EmmaEmerald · 19/01/2024 14:40

There's always a right for them to make alterations with these holidays

I don't think this counts as substantial enough to get a refund but obvs look at the contract

I am puzzled that you are being asked to pay additional costs...but also I guess you'd have to read the contract. But no contract can be a blank cheque? So I'm confused. What costs do they claim you have to pay?

Doublebiscuit77 · 19/01/2024 14:42

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 14:09

I take it you know it well? I've never been there.

But I've been stuck in all sorts of unexpected places for odd days (travelled a lot for work) and there's usually something worth looking at, visiting or just enjoying the difference. Are there any monuments, museums, parks, shopping centres, local markets, interesting food, nothing? Any nice hotels with swimming pools, quiet day to relax before the safari. Or is it really dangerous there or something.

It's not the safest - my dad used to work there. Still, if OP ends up going there i agree she should make the best of it.
Just had a Google- if it were me I'd do Gold Reef City amusement park and the Apartheid Museum. Not far from one of the airports.

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