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To ask for a refund as holiday has changed substantially?

278 replies

Loveabathtub · 19/01/2024 12:47

Not really a AIBU, more can anyone help me with where we might stand legally?

We booked a tailor made holiday through a company called Dial A Flight on 23.09.2023. It was to be a holiday of a lifetime that straddled the exact dates of February half term, my birthday and Valentines day. It cost a considerable sum of money. It took weeks to plan and book and involved choosing direct flights to Mauritius where we would stay for 4 nights before flying onto Johannesburg from where we would travel directly onto our safari lodge. There we would spend a further four nights before flying on a direct overnight flight home.

However, yesterday we received a phone call to say that the flight between Mauritius and Johannesburg had been cancelled which meant that we would now only spend 3 nights in Mauritius and would then have to spend one night in Johannesburg before flying onto safari.

This is bitterly disappointing. We would never have booked or paid out so much money to travel all the way to Mauritius for just three nights. Neither would we have ever booked to stay one night in Johannesburg. I certainly do not relish packing and unpacking three times over the course of a week for me and my children. The holiday company are suggesting we change dates but this does not work with school holidays. They say we cannot get a refund just for the Mauritius hotel. Neither could we fly directly straight to Johannesburg from UK without considerable extra costs. We feel that this holiday has now turned into something we would never dream of booking.

We paid Dial a Flight for a specific holiday that we have in writing as being as being four nights in a specific Mauritius followed by four nights at a in a specific safari lodge in South Africa, it is now turning into something completely different. To add to this Dial a Flight are expecting us to shoulder all extra costs and losses.

We would like a full refund to be able to reconsider and rebook at another date. Dial a Flight say this is not possible as they have found an alternative flight that will be less than seven hours delay on the original. However due to the knock on effect on the connecting transfers this new flight results in more than a 24 hour delay in getting to safari.

Our contract is with Dial a Flight. We booked the whole thing as a package. We were only informed of this yesterday, three weeks before travel is about to take place. Can anyone help advise us of our rights?

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TraitorRoundTable · 19/01/2024 12:49

did you pay via credit card?

Bearbookagainandagain · 19/01/2024 12:57

Don't you arrive in Johannesburg sooner than planned? How is it affecting the Safari, is your connecting flight affected too?

To be honest I would not considered this a major change personally, it's only 1 night. I would look at making the most of it, if you don't want to go to Johannesburg is there another city you could go to for a stopover?

Legally I don't actually know where you stand. For a flight only, I know they have to give you the option to cancel, but I'm not sure for packaged holiday as I prefer to book myself (partly to avoid that kind of situations).

Bearbookagainandagain · 19/01/2024 12:59

TraitorRoundTable · 19/01/2024 12:49

did you pay via credit card?

Even if paid by CC, doing a charge back is a terrible idea. If the company is right and OP owes the money, they will just send them the bill, and could sue in small claims court if it's not paid.

mynameiscalypso · 19/01/2024 13:00

Leaving aside the fact that I wouldn't want to go to South Africa at all, I don't think this is really a major change is it? It's annoying but to want to cancel the only thing because you have three nights in Mauritius rather than four seems quite extreme.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 19/01/2024 13:03

It's one night difference. Annoying, but really not a major change.

Bearbookagainandagain · 19/01/2024 13:04

To be honest I think you could be right though:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/holiday-cancellations-and-compensation/cancelling-a-package-holiday/

Do the T&C's specify anything about what constitute a significant change? If the "7h" rule isn't clearly stated there, I would ask them where it comes from.

Cancelling a package holiday

Your rights if you want to cancel a holiday. If a holiday company has changed a holiday you booked or put the price up.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/holiday-cancellations-and-compensation/cancelling-a-package-holiday

FUPAgirl · 19/01/2024 13:06

I'm struggling to understand the drama to be honest. You need to read the T&Cs that you agreed to really.

Precipice · 19/01/2024 13:06

Barrenfieldoffucks · 19/01/2024 13:03

It's one night difference. Annoying, but really not a major change.

It's 1/4 less time in Mauritius and the fuss of a single night stay elsewhere, in a place OP's not interested in, and sounds like less time on safari. Big difference.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 19/01/2024 13:06

Do they class the holiday as a package or as a bundle of different pieces? I think the rules are different around each

MartinsSpareCalculator · 19/01/2024 13:10

I don't understand how the safari element is impacted as you'll be arriving into Johannesburg a day earlier?
You also don't have to unpack in Johannesburg, just keep whatever you need at the top of your bag.

Seems very dramatic.

PickledPurplePickle · 19/01/2024 13:13

I’m not really understanding the issue with the safari part if you are arriving earlier - in fact can’t you do extra safari rather than a night in Johannesburg?

What terms did you sign re changes in the contract?

Christmaslights21 · 19/01/2024 13:15

No I agree with you OP. It’s a very expensive holiday and I would want it to be perfect. I wouldn’t want one random night in Johannesburg either.
Dont know where you stand legally unfortunately.

MarIeyG · 19/01/2024 13:17

Definitely not a major change

orangegato · 19/01/2024 13:19

Could you ask for a partial refund based on % you miss out on?

StrawberryJellyBelly · 19/01/2024 13:22

Op, I wouldn’t accept that either because it’s not the holiday I want. And I suspect they are so used to people just rolling over and saying oh we just have to accept it blah blah blah that the company think everyone will. I hope you get your
money back and if I had to involve a lawyer to help with the small print I would but you’ll have to get your skates on.

just keep reminding yourself that the company haven’t given you this holiday free with your shopping. You’ve paid for it.

StrawberryJellyBelly · 19/01/2024 13:23

PickledPurplePickle · 19/01/2024 13:13

I’m not really understanding the issue with the safari part if you are arriving earlier - in fact can’t you do extra safari rather than a night in Johannesburg?

What terms did you sign re changes in the contract?

What if the Safari camp is full?

Barrenfieldoffucks · 19/01/2024 13:26

I don't think the safari or return flight is impacted is it? I thought it was just a day less in Mauritius and that day in Jo'burg instead?

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 13:26

I would be looking up things to do in Johannesburg. You might have a lovely day there.

Xiaoxiong · 19/01/2024 13:27

So instead of
4 nights mauritius
4 nights safari

You now have
3 nights mauritius
1 night jo'burg
4 nights safari

I think it's not such a substantial change as to justify a full cancellation unless that's permitted in your ts&cs. A change so substantial as to be a "completely different holiday" would be that instead of mauritius they were flying you to Dundee, and instead of safari you were going on to Orkney to see puffins.

I think you'd have a much better argument going after this: "To add to this Dial a Flight are expecting us to shoulder all extra costs and losses."

Savedpassword · 19/01/2024 13:27

I know very little about SA. Are there any positives to a night in J’borg? Anything that you could spend an evening doing?
No idea of the legal side of it but if it’s such a short time until you’re due to go I’d be tempted to try and focus on the positives rather than tussle with a travel company who don’t sound as if they’re about to give in to a refund.

Tippexy · 19/01/2024 13:28

I'm just amused by how 4 nights in Mauritius and 4 nights on safari took weeks to plan and book Grin

Appleblum · 19/01/2024 13:29

I wouldn't be happy with that. I'm not sure what your rights are - is this covered by travel insurance?

I would try to see if you can travel onwards to the safari early instead of staying that 1 night in Johannesburg.

StrawberryJellyBelly · 19/01/2024 13:30

Tippexy · 19/01/2024 13:28

I'm just amused by how 4 nights in Mauritius and 4 nights on safari took weeks to plan and book Grin

Perhaps they enjoyed taking their time booking their dream holiday.

tenbob · 19/01/2024 13:30

I can see how it’s disappointing but personally I would do an extra night in Mauritius and cut the safari lodge part down

Having done several safaris, it’s not something you need to spend a long time at, so rather than waste a night in jo’burg, spend it on the beach and shorten the safari time

You’ll almost certainly see everything you want to see from 2 or 3 days of game drives

tenbob · 19/01/2024 13:31

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 13:26

I would be looking up things to do in Johannesburg. You might have a lovely day there.

She won’t..! There is absolutely no value in a day in joburg