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To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?

630 replies

tinkertee · 16/01/2024 08:37

I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

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FrannieSaid · 26/01/2024 23:58

SpursFan2 · 26/01/2024 23:44

No I’m not, but I just have the impression from reading/watching the news that people are fed up of Biden, which makes it easier for Trump to get in.

I think tonight’s news that Trump will need to pay the damages to EJC will only help to reinforce his claim that he is a ‘victim’ and is being pursued by people who hate him and have an agenda - if anything, I think it’ll benefit him (which is horrible).

Sorry to say, you have the wrong impression.

Trump is LOATHED.

You see the loud, stupid, MAGA cultists, because they get clicks. There are LEGIONS of Americans who don't wear hats, or fly stupid big flags, or participate in ridiculous parades, but who get what is going on.

We're not in a cult. We recognize that Biden has done a fucking STELLAR job with this country, but don't have to agree with every single thing he has done to understand that democracy hangs in the balance.

We're here, we vote; don't underestimate us. :)

CreateHope · 27/01/2024 00:03

@FrannieSaid we’re counting on you 🥰

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 00:05

Sorry to say, you have the wrong impression.

Actually, their approval levels are about equal.

news.gallup.com/poll/548138/american-presidential-candidates-2024-election-favorable-ratings.aspx.

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 00:08

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FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 00:11

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 00:05

Sorry to say, you have the wrong impression.

Actually, their approval levels are about equal.

news.gallup.com/poll/548138/american-presidential-candidates-2024-election-favorable-ratings.aspx.

Are you American?

Your name makes me think that YOU think it sounds like it would be.

More to the point, it's way too far out to look at polls, honey.

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 00:26

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 00:11

Are you American?

Your name makes me think that YOU think it sounds like it would be.

More to the point, it's way too far out to look at polls, honey.

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Yes, I am. I’m an independent and not a Trump supporter in any way. Say what you want about the polls, but the trend isn’t good for Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/25/biden-polls-worse-trump-00128536

The polls keep getting worse for Biden

Trump’s vote share in national polls is higher than at any time in the past year.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/25/biden-polls-worse-trump-00128536

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 00:30

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 00:26

Yes, I am. I’m an independent and not a Trump supporter in any way. Say what you want about the polls, but the trend isn’t good for Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/25/biden-polls-worse-trump-00128536

Hrmmm... a little more recent news.

To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?
To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?
MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 00:37

We’ll see. A lot can happen between now and the election.

The polling of Obama and Biden at this stage of the campaign isn’t really comparable. Obama was relatively new on the national stage at the time.

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 00:41

We will see. :)

And... if "a lot can happen between now and the election", why did you post a 2023 November poll?

"Independent", are ya?

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 00:54

The poll was from November and showed data on the trends. I usually vote Democratic and am not registered with either party.

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 00:59

Curious - do you still feel that there are viable enough options with both parties?

Enough to still register as "Independent"? In this day and age?

If so, please explain.

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 01:14

Taunt that malignant motherfucker into a full breakdown. :)

LAW means nothing to him, DUTY means nothing to him, MORALS mean nothing to him.

BREAK HIM DOWN with the only thing that affects a psychopath like him.

MOCKERY.

Point, laugh, and ridicule him to the level he deserves.

To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?
MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 01:15

How could you register as an independent in a two party system?

if you’re asking if I think we need a third party, no. I think we need more moderate candidates from both parties.

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 01:20

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FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 01:42

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 01:26

Registering as an independent isn’t an option in NY, where I live.

https://vote.nyc/page/party-affiliation

Yet... you have to be registered to vote in NY. To which party do you belong?

  • Democratic
  • Republican
  • Conservative
  • Working Families
MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 10:38

FrannieSaid · 27/01/2024 01:42

Yet... you have to be registered to vote in NY. To which party do you belong?

  • Democratic
  • Republican
  • Conservative
  • Working Families

Keep reading.

If you would like to register without designating a party, simply mark the space indicating "I do not wish to enroll in a party."

When I registered to vote, I didn't enroll in a party, as I said above.

By the way, troll hunting is against the talk guidelines here, and I find it a bit disturbing that because I posted links to poll numbers you didn't like, you assumed I must be a Russian bot and cursed at me. That's not how you should try to persuade people who don't have exactly the same views as you. You should be trying to attract independents, not insult them. And if you had taken a minute to search my posting history, you'd have seen that I've been on MN for many years and am clearly an American.

I voted for Biden in 2020 because Trump is so awful, and will do so again if it's a rematch, but I'm not thrilled about it.

Now that you've called me a liar and dropped the F-bomb on me, I am done with this conversation. Nice job.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 27/01/2024 12:37

Trump's imbecile fan-cult can send him money to pay his lawyers' fees and never stop to wonder why such a rich man needs them to do so, but they cannot in law pay his fines.

He might have to go bankrupt personally this time to get out of it, and that will do his "I'm a wonderful billionaire businessman" image no good at all.

Papyrophile · 27/01/2024 12:38

Please don't go @MissConductUS ; you're a rare voice of informed reason on here.

WHat do you think about yesterday's verdict and ruling that Trump should be paying $65m in punitive damages to E Jean Carroll?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 27/01/2024 12:44

Papyrophile
Please don't go @MissConductUS ; you're a rare voice of informed reason on here.

Heartily seconded. I may not always agree with you about things, MCUS, but I definitely value your opinions.

While I'm here and I hope you still are as well: I gather that in order to be allowed to appeal against this verdict, Trump will have to post a bond. or at least I thought that was what I heard on the World Service. What does that mean, can you tell us? I can't find it laid out in a way that I understand, and that's one of your great strengths, explanation for the hard of thinking. There is something about it in the NYT but that's behind a firewall.

Papyrophile · 27/01/2024 13:00

Let me have a look at the NYT (I have a cheap overseas subscription) @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime .

Here's the main report, which doesn't mention posting bond.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/nyregion/trump-defamation-trial-carroll-verdict.html

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/01/2024 13:07

Like everyone else I can't possibly say whether Trump will be elected again, but so many insisted it really wouldn't happen last time and look what happened Confused

I'm no fan either, but going by some of these posts I hate to think what kind of state one or two MNers will be in if he makes it

MissConductUS · 27/01/2024 13:08

It's nice to know that there are at least a few MN'ers who don't think I'm a Russian troll. 😁I very much appreciate the support and kind words.

@Papyrophile, when I pull up that link, it does mention the bond. I'll copy and paste the relevant text here.

Donald J. Trump might one day have to pay E. Jean Carroll the $83.3 million she was awarded, but that day is not today.

Mr. Trump called the jury’s decision “Absolutely ridiculous!” and vowed to appeal the verdict, a process that could take months or more.

And while he is waiting for an appellate court to rule, Mr. Trump need not cut Ms. Carroll a check.

Yet the former president is still on the hook to pay something — possibly a sizable sum — while he waits.

Mr. Trump can pay the $83.3 million to the court, which will hold the money while the appeal is pending. This is what he did last year when a jury ordered him to pay Ms. Carroll $5.5 million in a related case.

Or, Mr. Trump can try to secure a bond, which will save him from having to pay the full amount up front.

A bond might require him to pay a deposit and offer collateral, and would come with interest and fees. It would also require Mr. Trump to find a financial institution willing to lend him a large sum of money at a time when he is in significant legal jeopardy.

Although Mr. Trump likes to boast of his billions, much of his wealth is linked to the value of his properties, and he is loath to part with vast sums of cash at once.
And when it comes to his varied legal expenses — of which there are many — he tries to avoid spending his own money at all. Mr. Trump has tapped his political action committee’s coffers to pay for his own legal fees and other expenses stemming from his criminal indictments and civil trials.

Yet $83.3 million eclipses the amount in his political accounts. The verdict on Friday will require Mr. Trump to reach into his own pocket.

Still, if the verdict survives Mr. Trump’s appeals, Ms. Carroll should eventually be paid, according to Bruce Green, director of the Louis Stein Center for Law and Ethics at Fordham University.

“He’s the rare defendant with an $83 million verdict against him who actually has the money,” Mr. Green said. “Wherever this lands, she should be able to collect.”
He has enough cash to cover the verdict in various accounts, a person close to him said. In recent years, Mr. Trump has unloaded several assets, including his Washington hotel, which sold for $375 million.

Yet the verdict on Friday is not the only payout upcoming for Mr. Trump. The New York attorney general is seeking a $370 million penalty from the former president and his family business as part of a civil fraud trial that wrapped up this month.

The judge in that case is expected to issue a decision in the coming weeks. If Mr. Trump is ordered to pay hundreds of millions of dollars, it is unclear whether he would have to sell another asset to make a payment like that.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2024 13:12

It looks like someone reacted angrily @MissConductUS don't worry, keep posting

Can you say how the Biden side works? Is he just running or are there others

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/01/2024 13:21

Here you go, EasternStandard ...

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_presidential_nomination,_2024

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