To ask if Donald Trump could actually be president again?

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I've just seen a headline about him now being the front runner for the Republican nomination. Which I assume means it's entirely a possibility that he could then win.

I'm British (English) so I know our current government is a complete embarrassment. But I will never get my head around DT having been president once never mind possibly twice.

How could this happen??

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Gen Z definitely swing Democratic, unfortunately despite raging on Social Media they don't show up at the polls.

The other big group missing from the polls since Obama is Black voters.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/16/politics/black-voter-turnout-2024/index.html

Everyone on this thread should remember that 25-45% of eligible citizens of all races/ethnicities don't vote, depending on the state. Voter turnout has increased since the 1980s but most voters are frustrated at the lack of choice. Most people in 2020 voted against Trump rather than for Biden.

Americans are just as disillusioned to be presented with the same two options as candidates as last time. Most people don't feel represented by either candidate, I know I don't, and noone in my immediate family does either.

From 2 days ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/decline-in-gen-z-voter-turnout-may-shake-up-2024-election-dynamics/ar-AA1n6ueM

Source please for no or positive difference. It has been shown by which study or set of facts? You are spouting ill-informed opinion as fact . . . 🙄

Saying inflation was higher under Trump is a shocking lie. It was only 1.4 % over his term. Under Biden? 18% ( I looked up specific numbers for accuracy)

How can you say something so patently false as if it were true? Everyone has been complaining about the increased costs of everything over the past year -- eggs, milk, utilities, all the basics cost much more now than before.

I don't know if I really agree with that. Johnson is a lot more educated, and I think a lot smarter too, than Trump. Trump was far more crass as well.

Clearly they are both populists to an extent, but that's not necessarily bad in itself.

What really screwed BJ, imo, was that he hasn't got much personal discipline, and it bled over into his political performance.

Trump aslo doesn't seem to have discipline, but it's so next level that I don't really think you can compare it. His lack of discipline and filters and sense of what's appropriate discourse didn't just bleed into his work, it was like there wasn't even any understanding that there were boundaries at all.

I think Johnson crossed with a strategist who was excellent at winning

Without that he’d probably have sailed on

Although unlike Trump an adversary did take him out, court cases bounce Trump in the polls

You know that there was a Labour government before Thatcher, which was why they needed the IMF loan, with all the economic controls that come with that?

No one has to think all of Thatcher's policies have turned out well, or be a fan of the IMFs economic approaches, but clearly putting the country in the position of having to take out such a loan was pretty bloody bad management, which meant that options for the government following them were limited. The people on benefits that Thatcher was talking to, btw, were mostly working people who had seen their wages increase a lot from the time those benefits were initially created.

It's not unlike the Blair government, giving the impression of spending effectively to improve healthcare, while creating a crippling debt for the NHS down the road.

I don't think the next Labour government is going to have that kind of option though, and I suspect many will be disappointed.

Yes, this is a bizarre claim.

I don't actually think it's Biden's fault, it's happening across the globe, but it's clearly been worse under him.

Trying to control a caucus as well as be popular with the electorate is quite difficult for any party leader who wants to be PM. I don't think that features so much in the American system.

Strewth! I was definitely going a bit mad, wasn't I; I have no idea what I meant to write there, but yes, that was definitely not right. Sorry.

And if anybody knows why this thread is not showing up in my "Notifications", so that I had no idea there were any new posts to it since yesterday, I'd love to know how to get it back to letting me know about new posts. What might be causing that? This is the only thread it has happened to as far as I can tell. I have posted to it, and it says I am watching it, but it just isn't happening.

Democrats are trying to persuade undeclared voters to vote for Nikki Haley in the New Hampshire Primary (the Primaries around the nation will decide the Republican candidate for this year's Presidential Election)

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/20/democrats-nikki-haley-primary-votes-00136418

Why is there so little in the news of Kamala Harris.
When Al Gore, Dick Chaney, Joe Biden and Mike Pence etc were VP we heard lots about them.
I very rarely hear of Kamala Harris in the news here in Ireland.
Perhaps it's different in North America ?

when I have been in the US Kamala Harris was reported on but didn’t seem as prominent as other VP’s

my family/friends who are Democrats are struggling to support Biden they are mostly disappointed in his presidency. The Trump supporters are even more passionate about Trump and it’s was very surprising to me who do support Trump they are far from the southern passionate gun owners, anti abortionIsts
or racists are so often reported on

Why is there so little in the news of Kamala Harris

Probably because, since her polling's so terrible, they keep her largely out of the way?

The usual excuse is that she was given some difficult briefs to handle, but overall the vast majority of the views I've heard are that her only real purpose was to appeal to the minority votes and act as a foil to Biden's male whiteness

To paraphrase what was often said during the first Trump campaign, not all Trump voters are racist, gun-toting anti-abortionists, but all racist, gun-toting anti-abortionists are Trump voters.

I’m aware of that

but it’s easy given our news/reporting
to be unaware how many people who seem fairly liberal are Trump supporters

Trump is also popular in many non European countries (not that it matter to anyone who can’t vote)

i think he shall most likely will the election unless stopped and why the democrats have allowed this is utterly bizarre

Remember, for an enormous nation 300 million people have the choice of 2 parties. This means every major election requires a large coalition of voters, especially independents to win
Voters not wedded to either extreme end switch parties frequently depending on the candidates on offer.

My American inlaws (a large extended family with a mixture of backgrounds, class and races) all voted for Obama twice. Then they all liked Bernie Sanders but didn't get the chance to vote for him and split their vote between Trump and Clinton.

If you look at polling a lot of people who voted for Trump would have voted for Bernie (who was further left than Biden or Hilary). It's because he offered what a lot of working people thought was real change and wasn't typical establishment.

A lot of people didn't like Hilary because they felt the Presidency was just switching back and forth between the Clintons and the Bushes. Also, that she seemed to think she was "owed" the Presidency and took a lot of votes for granted. This showed up when she didn't even bother visiting certain states/areas during her campaign, as she assumed she had them in the bag and they swung for Trump who campaigned hard and nonstop.

She also called those considering Trump as "deplorables" which again came over as very elitist.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/20/trump-nato-eu-00136732#:~:text=A%20POLITICO%20report%20earlier%20this,for%20comment%20on%20the%20meeting.

Sounds like the bloated orange megalomaniac would pull the US out of NATO if he gets in.

@IHS this is nothing new and something he campaigned on since 2016.

Hilary arguably had more beneficial policies for the working-class but her messaging wasn't clear. Trump - whether you love or hate him - communicated clearly and stuck to messages that made their way through to voters.

The election was won in the upper mid-west where Hilary didn't campaign. She lost because more Democratic voters stayed home as she didn't excite them or communicate her policies effectively.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/12/the-dangerous-myth-that-clinton-focused-on-the-working-class.html

Voters generally are tired of being governed by Boomers in the White House and Congress and want change but aren't offered it.

Just worrying in light of Putin's activities. I never considered there'd be a possibility of him being elected again after the last fiasco. I was just being an ostrich I suppose.