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5 year old school refusal. Please could you advice

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AnxiousAboutSchool · 14/01/2024 17:17

NC for this.

Hello, DS is winter born, and is one of the oldest kids in reception. He has a lot of anxiety about going to school. He worries about going to school all evening, goes to bed worried, and wakes up worrying about it in the morning. Every morning we have to push him to go to school, and there’s lots of crying and complaining. He has big meltdowns when he’s back from school.

His class teacher says he has lots of friends in school and is quite happy when he is there. DS used to go to a small nurturing nursery before this for 2 years, and it was the same story even then. So it doesn’t seem like the behaviour has much to do with the specific school per say. It seems to be down to separation anxiety. He just wants to stay at home with Mum and Dad. (There’s nothing particularly exciting happening at home - screen time is very limited and he doesn’t play video games or anything)

Is this normal behaviour for a 5 year old? Is this just a phase that some kids go through? I am very upset seeing him like this and wonder if this will be damaging for him in some way. This is already affecting him negatively as he’s very stressed during term time even at home. Once the holidays start he’s much calmer and happier.

A bit of background - DS was a high needs baby and the baby years were super hard. He’s the sweetest little boy, but he’s very “intense” , for lack of a better word. He really gets into the simplest things like maybe a piece of paper he’s playing with. He’s also anxious in general. I have considered neuro divergence, but doesn’t seem like he has any traits except anxiety.

I am considering talking to GP/health visitor, but I don’t think I’ll get much help. Hence turning to experienced parents and teachers on mumsnet for advice.

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ilovebreadsauce · 15/01/2024 12:10

dazedandconfuzzed · 15/01/2024 11:25

hahahahahahahaha
and what happened to those 'resilient' kids when they became adults? they struggled and then were diagnosed later and their school life was a lot harder for them than it needed to be.

not to worry about people missing out on experiencing feelings such as disappointment, boredom, frustration - your post gave me my daily dose, thanks!

No actually. Resilient kids became resilient, functioning adults.
And as for 'masking' , that is self-discipline,which everyone has to do in real life. You cant break down in tears of stress when you are are a doctor in front of your patients, you cant tell your boss to fuck off when they are being a prick.You have to put on your game face

Rangelife · 15/01/2024 12:26

I had this as a child - I was very very anxious around school to the point I was vomiting on the way there. It was a combination of trauma (I was sexually abused as a child by a family member) and a high level of innate perfectionism and a parent who was very pushy.

School stressed me out as I was putting pressure on myself to be the best, so was my Dad, but I also really struggled with boys there - I was very small, they were big. It just didn't work as I think I was just constantly in a highly aroused state of nervousness. I used to go to the toilet every lesson and vomit. None of the teachers (nuns) gave a shiny shite tbh (it was the 90's). I only realised how abnormal my school anxiety was when my 3DC happily accepted school as part of everyday life and went without throwing up!

I never really got used to school - I was so glad when I went to university as my school days were done. I don't think there is often a cure for people for whom school just doesn't fit for various reasons. I'm hoping schools nowadays can support your family more to make school life at least tolerable, not even happy really, I just hope your little boy is supported to tolerate it more. Good luck OP Flowers

steppemum · 15/01/2024 12:29

ilovebreadsauce · 15/01/2024 12:10

No actually. Resilient kids became resilient, functioning adults.
And as for 'masking' , that is self-discipline,which everyone has to do in real life. You cant break down in tears of stress when you are are a doctor in front of your patients, you cant tell your boss to fuck off when they are being a prick.You have to put on your game face

sadly your posts just show how little understanding you have of ND.

Relisience is not the same as the difference between NT and ND.

Masking is not putting on a professional face, or coping in public etc.

I am a teacher. I am old school, no nonsense, build resilience, do as you are told etc. I was brought up by a teacher who was the same. I did not go to nursery and neither did my kids.
First 2 kids no problem, they are mature resilient adults, all worked wonderfully. Then came dd2.

I have had to re-learn so much in the last 10 years dealing with my youngest who is autistic. Diagnosed at 16. I should have started pushing for it at 8, but she was coping and as I said, no nonsense, get on with it. I really regret that now and wish I had understood masking. She fell to pieces in secondary school, when the stress of masking all day became too much.

KeepGoingThomas · 15/01/2024 12:38

sadly your posts just show how little understanding you have of ND.

Don’t they just!

kiwiandcherries · 15/01/2024 13:50

@Jellycats4life I can assure you that HSP is a thing which, despite having some characteristics which appear similar to people with autism, is a very distinct thing. Though, I can appreciate that many people who resonate with HSP descriptions can go on to be diagnosed as autistic, there are many who are highly sensitive yet not autistic.

ilovebreadsauce · 15/01/2024 13:58

steppemum · 15/01/2024 12:29

sadly your posts just show how little understanding you have of ND.

Relisience is not the same as the difference between NT and ND.

Masking is not putting on a professional face, or coping in public etc.

I am a teacher. I am old school, no nonsense, build resilience, do as you are told etc. I was brought up by a teacher who was the same. I did not go to nursery and neither did my kids.
First 2 kids no problem, they are mature resilient adults, all worked wonderfully. Then came dd2.

I have had to re-learn so much in the last 10 years dealing with my youngest who is autistic. Diagnosed at 16. I should have started pushing for it at 8, but she was coping and as I said, no nonsense, get on with it. I really regret that now and wish I had understood masking. She fell to pieces in secondary school, when the stress of masking all day became too much.

I wasn't talking about autistic kids, as op says hers isn't! I am talking about kids in general being 'brought up' by parents who want to be their child's best friend

Luckymummytoone · 15/01/2024 14:02

I’ve had this for 4 years now and know how draining it is. In our case this has continued to escalate and as pp mentioned, as they grow bigger we cannot force them; despite what school think. My son has asd. It just causes a lot of school trauma and leads to burnout.
Maybe self-refer for an OT assessment re his sensory needs - I know you mentioned he dislikes noise. Definitely request a meeting with the senco at school and share your concerns. They generally need to see traits too to get a referral to neurodevelopmental services.
there’s a book called, ‘my child is not broken’ which is also really helpful. Sunshine support and not fine in school are also fab. And Dr Naomi Fisher.
hope you get some support soon ❤️

Luckymummytoone · 15/01/2024 14:03
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steppemum · 15/01/2024 14:13

I wasn't talking about autistic kids, as op says hers isn't! I am talking about kids in general being 'brought up' by parents who want to be their child's best friend

well, as I said, my dd was similar and went on to get an autism diagnosis.
Many posters on here have said similar.
OPs dc is 5. very early to have had a diagnosis, but definitely struggling so it is possible that there is some ND

You can back track all you like, but your posts read as applying to all kids. No-one in your school in 1970s was ND apparently.
Ans masking doesn't exist we all do it in real life, so masking isn't a thing.

Go back and re-read your posts. They are pretty daming of ND kids.

Boating123 · 15/01/2024 14:25

I notice OP mentioned both parents working full time. Does this means he needs to use wrap-around care so his day is 7:30 - 6:00 or something? If so, I wonder there is any way you could juggle things so he has a shorter day at school.

Abby212 · 18/01/2024 13:46

Hi op, I have similar struggles with my 5 year old in the mornings too. It's good to remember that 5 is still very young. In most countries children dont start school until they are 6 or 7. Alot is expected of these very young children and I think it's adding lots of anxiety. I'm giving my child time to grow and adjust before considering any sort of assessment

DemBonesDemBones · 18/01/2024 16:20

@Kittylala I really hope you're joking.

NewYearNewYak · 18/01/2024 16:28

My dd hated nursery and reception and we would have lots of tears and tantrums. She started to enjoy school more once it became more structured in Y1 and hasn’t looked back. She’s in Y6 now and still very happy.

I’m just saying this to give you hope that things could change. Not all children like the free flow environment of nursery and reception, they’d rather know exactly what they’re supposed to be doing.

Whatsthestorynow · 18/01/2024 16:51

We had this on & off from nursery through to year 1 when it came to a head. To be honest looking back I think using force to get your child in to school is awful. But everyone expects you to do it. We did have to use force on some occasions & I regret it now. DD ended up with burn out & is no longer attending school. She actually had an autism diagnosis but the school were very slow to suggest any adjustments. They just kept on telling us we needed to get her in on time despite us telling them what a nightmare our mornings were. And that’s with an autism diagnosis! It’s awful but there really isn’t the support sadly. And you get idiots saying that you are pandering or that your child is fragile. That you just need boundaries & a good routine. These people! (as Alan Partridge would say).

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