When Exactly did Trans/Non Binary Become So Commonplace?

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This isn't to start (yet another!) debate on the rights and wrongs of gender identification, transitioning etc. Just pondering on how quickly and in what year it became so common.

I'm just watching an old episode of Waterloo Road (Drama set in a comprehensive school) where one of the characters (Casey Barry for anyone who watched it) realises that she wants to be a boy rather than a tomboy and everyone reacts as if it's extremely unusual. The other pupils mock and bully her, her brother gets violent and tells her she is disgusting and a freak and the teachers talk about what a difficult road she has ahead and how much support she will need.

The episode is set in 2013. Not the 1990s. Only just over 10 years ago. But in a Year 10/11 class in a comprehensive in 2024 this wouldn't even raise an eyebrow, would it. There will be several trans and non binary pupils (maybe even several per year group) and pupils would consider it normal.

I teach in a prep school (only goes up to Year 8) so we haven't actually yet had a single pupil transition to the opposite gender. There's one 10 year old who I could potentially see it happening to over the next couple of years but it hasn't yet. So I'm relatively unknowledgable about the whole thing.

Interested to know from secondary school teachers who have been teaching for 10+ years what year you think it was that transitioning and being non binary went from rare to a relatively popular trend.

I also had anorexia as a teen and young adult and struggled to find my place socially at school. I don't think I would have been vulnerable to identifying as trans/non binary as my interests and tastes are mostly quite stereotypically 'female' (I'm very aware there should no such thing as gendered interests and choices). But I can easily see how low self esteem and body dysmorphia could lead many that way if combined with more stereoptypically 'male' interests.

I'm a mature student and we recently had a seminar on trans awareness/ equality with a transgender lady doing a talk for us. It was really interesting. She explained gender dysphoria, the difference between biological sex and the social construct of gender, and acknowledged that her body is physically still that of a male. She also explained that transgender people have existed for a long time, and it's only now that people have more freedom and the language available to them to express how they feel.

If that were true lots of middle aged women would now be identifying as men or non-binary.

Agreed. I found it quite disturbing how these beliefs spread so rapidly and ended up being enforced by people in power. But when you think about it, irrational beliefs do spread fast and get a powerful grip - look at religion.

and it's only now that people have more freedom and the language available to them to express how they feel.

Yet strangely, despite such freedom, we have thousands of teenage girls expressing how they think they feel but no corresponding number of middle aged women expressing the same. Did the (probably) middle aged man explain this discrepancy, or did he focus on the rights of males per chance?

If you mean the girl missing after getting the Whitby train, it’s definitely a girl!

The only experience I’ve had in secondary is damaged girls calling themselves non-binary, as a form of self protection I suppose.

Ive known 2 adults males ‘transition’ which had been a miserable process for both of them. Especially when they realised they didn’t magically turn into women, the whole thing is a disgrace.

Did the (probably) middle aged man explain this discrepancy, or did he focus on the rights of males per chance?

yes, trans’ rights’ activists are mainly men’s rights’ activities.

They demand things that belonged to women:

• toilets, changing rooms
• sports and scholarships
• the very words women use to describe themselves - woman, mother, lesbian

They insist on compelled speech with pronouns.

They reduce women to their biological functions so as to not get the hurty feelz that they, as men, have bodies that work differently:

• people who menstruate
• vulva owners
• cervix-havers

women who identify as men only seem to be in the media when they they are pregnant. They are invisible aprt from those articles about a “pregnant man” showing a hairy woman with a pregnant abdomen and mastectomy scars. Girls and women are collateral damage when it comes to trans ideology.

The “there’s always been trans people” point is so shallow. There has always been people with a variety of culture bound syndromes like Koro. Sometimes there are small numbers. Sometimes there are large numbers. The following are also true:

There have always been men with autogynephilia.

There have always been people with body dysmorphia.

There have always been outbreaks of social contagion.

The fact there have always been people who describe some form of cross sex identification for a variety of reasons doesn’t mean they haven’t also always been men with AGP, or people who have body dysmorphia, and it doesn’t mean that the current massive uptake is automatically not a part of a social contagion.

“Medicine, unfortunately, is not immune to dangerous groupthink that results in patient harm,” Dr. Kaltiala writes.

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’ | The Free Press (thefp.com)

Well worth a read.

I'm going to say 1027 is where it really started to explode here in Canada too. It was becoming a thing by 2015, and I had started to notice it around universities where discussion was becoming very controlled, and also in some mum's groups around 2016. In those mum's groups it was clear some already had many of the stock phrases we see now internalized. It's continued to grow since 2017.

where discussion was becoming very controlled

This is why I think the trend is dying amongst teens. Nothing gets their back up more than being told they have to refer to Sophie as Theo and call her him/they. Sure, some are still #bekind but many more seem over it.

I'm not a lesbian. I am attracted to men and women. I had never dated a trans person before but he asked me out and was frankly super hot.

I fell madly in love, and I always say the best man I know was born a woman. 😉

We both know he is biological woman with a vagina. He looks like a man, identities as a man, but yes there are two vaginas in my bed.

Not sure why that matters to anyone else though. Not sure why it matters what I identify as.

I guess sexually you could say I'm attracted to a hot piece of ass.

Maybe I'm a hot sexual.

But trans activism declares that you are in a straight relationship.

Trans activism also teaches young lesbians that if they prefer masculine stereotypes and are attracted to the female sex they are a straight man. And to be a straight man they need to take testosterone while still children and have their breasts removed at the first available opportunity.

Your relationship doesn’t matter to me, but how trans activism defines your relationship and what it tells vulnerable children matter to me.

I am with a transman. We are both very aware what the " trans" part means.

Whose trans activism declares I'm in a straight relationship?

I have a large community of lgbtq friends. None of them have told me this. My partner hasn't told me this.

Whose trans activism declares I'm in a straight relationship?

Stonewall’s. Their glossary of terms states that sexual orientation is based on gender, not sex. According to Stonewall if a woman is attracted to a man, it’s a straight relationship, and that can be a female attracted to a male, or a female attracted to a female who identifies as a man.

Many prominent activists. Riley Dennis for example. The Cotton ceiling. If a man who identifies as a woman is attracted to females, that makes him as lesbian. If he’s attracted to males, it makes him a straight woman.

There are examples of young trans men lamenting that gay men don’t want to have relationships with them.

I’m surprised you haven’t come across this. The homophobia of redefining same sex attraction as same gender attraction is a key part of trans activism.

I think it's the latest trend, very few people (I think 0.2 percent) actually have gender dysmorphia and for those people I feel extremely extremely sad that their plight is being glory hogged, buy all these insane people on the "trans/woke wagon" and all the hate directed at JK Rowling and others for saying only women menstruate, when that is a scientific fact makes me feel quite unwell.

So, could a lesbian have a trans woman as a partner, or a gay man be with a trans man?

Of course – if they fancy each other! Adults are free to have relationships with other consenting adults, whatever their sexual orientation or gender identity. Trans people have the same range of sexual orientations as cis people, and there are many trans lesbians and gay trans men.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/the-truth-about-trans#lesbian-trans-woman-gay-trans-man

Heterosexual/straight

Refers to a man who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards women or to a woman who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards men.

Homosexual

This might be considered a more medical term used to describe someone who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards someone of the same gender. The term ‘gay’ is now more generally used.

[my bold]. When Stonewall state TWAW and TMAM, they state that a “cis” woman who is in a relationship with a trans man, it’s a straight relationship.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

Another example of a big organisation, GLAAD, redefining sexual orientation.

For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.

https://glaad.org/transgender/transfaq/

And another:

For example, a transgender man (someone who lives as a man today) may be primarily attracted to other men (and identify as a gay man), may be primarily attracted to women (and identify as a straight man), or have any other sexual orientation.

https://transequality.org/issues/resources/frequently-asked-questions-about-transgender-people

Sounds like they are defining themselves, not me. I'm quite comfortable being queer, and in a relationship with a transman.

I think the bigger issues here are, who are we giving power to? How many trans people actually believe this? And who are making headlines? Who is being written about and presented to the masses?

Trans people aren't new, nor are they going anywhere, so it seems better to diversify the representation and see where we can meet.

Your child is far more likely to be groomed by a biological male than a transpersom.

Trans people aren't new, nor are they going anywhere, so it seems better to diversify the representation and see where we can meet

So you genuinely believe the 107 genders - all with their own flag 🙄- have always been there? All of them? How are they not just people describing their personalities?

They are not defining you. They are setting out the definitions they think should exist. These are FAQ pages on websites young people go to for advice. It’s not about trans people believing this, it’s about young people, children, believing this. A teenage girl reads that and thinks “I think I am a boy, I like girls, therefore I must be a straight boy.”

Lots of people believe this. Trans activists. Politicians. Legislation. In Tasmania is was deemed illegal to exclude males who call themselves lesbians from an event that had been declared “lesbian only”.

It’s not about people like you who might be strong enough to self-define, it’s about vulnerable people seeking answers.

Trans people aren't new, nor are they going anywhere

See my post above. There have always been men with AGP. There have always been people with body dysmorphia. There have always been waves of social contagion.

Your child is far more likely to be groomed by a biological male than a transpersom.

Who has redefined the word lesbian to include biological males and who benefits from that redefinition?

Your child is far more likely to be groomed by a biological male than a transpersom

How you tell the difference between a transwoman and a biological male? If your teen daughter is getting changed in single sex changing rooms and a man walks in, how can you tell how they identify?

Sadly there is a large group of people who have been led to believe - what’s the word for that again 🤔? - that the class of males who say they’re trans are somehow less dangerous than the class of males who don’t say they’re trans.

@Josette77 you define yourself as queer because you is in a relationship with a trans man.

What you seem to be missing is that there a women - females - who are exclusively same sex attracted who are only interested in relationships with other females who have been told they are transphobic for exerting such boundaries. How does a confused teenage girl struggling with her sexual orientation who doesn’t have your self-confidence work out what the hell is going on when organisations they turn to for clarity reinforce that homophobia?

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/