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Colleague said something was a bit Irish

358 replies

0scon · 09/01/2024 20:43

Something that hadn't been planned properly, she said it was a bit Irish and laughed.
Is that not quite racist? Or am I being too woke?

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NewYearNewPyjamas · 09/01/2024 21:56

DisappearingGirl · 09/01/2024 21:50

Oh no, I say "having a paddy" for throwing a tantrum. I never realised it was offensive or had anything to do with being Irish!!

Same! Literally no idea. I thought it was another word for tantrum. I don't use it anyway but I'll be watching out for it now.

Lala727 · 09/01/2024 21:59

I find it really hard to believe that pp have no idea when the only paddy reference thats known in the UK is for Irish people or at Patrick's day, and it doesn't relate to tantrums or anything else at all, it's baffling (but if genuine, fair enough acknowledging and being aware from now on)

NewYearNewPyjamas · 09/01/2024 21:59

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 09/01/2024 21:51

I've not heard that phrase in years, and that's a good thing.

Not have I heard someone say something is all Greek to me. I heard that more as a child/young person than anything to do with Irish people. Apart from having a paddy. I didn't know until mumsnet that it was offensive nor the origin of the saying. I don't use it now.

I bet there are many, many phrases in use that people are unaware of the origins of. Please put that into a grammatically better sentence! I'm tired and can't Confusedonce we know they are offensive though we should stop using them.

Is "it's all Greek to me" offensive? I first heard it in the film about Edith Piaf and haven't heard it since. I thought it was an "insert any language" type thing because if it's not your language you won't understand it?

Soapboxqueen · 09/01/2024 22:00

Lala727 · 09/01/2024 21:51

What did pp who didn't realise having a paddy think it meant or came from?

It just meant a tantrum.

There was no connection to anything else. Just like using strop or huffy

Tbh I think I was an adult before I even made the connection that paddy was linked to being Irish.

honeyfox · 09/01/2024 22:00

Just saying, as @Changedmymind99 previous poster to me seemed to think it was a perfectly standard Irish expression. It isn't.

honeyfox · 09/01/2024 22:02

Meant to reply to @penjil there.

FiftyNotNifty · 09/01/2024 22:05

I heard "that's a bit Irish" a lot as a child. Haven't heard it for years and years.

blackpanth · 09/01/2024 22:06

StarlightLime · 09/01/2024 21:21

Really? You do realise the origins of the phrase?

Everyone around me says it 🤷‍♀️ I say it to my son whens he's having a tantrum

LeSlogo · 09/01/2024 22:06

I'm Irish and I find that phrase highly offensive

porridgeisbae · 09/01/2024 22:06

Not woke enough for some people, but many things aren't.
Someone could pick holes in stuff anybody except the hardcore woke mob said if they wanted. They even turn on their own.

Newmum110 · 09/01/2024 22:07

Very rude & unprofessional imo.

Never heard the phrase having a paddy!!!!

SiobhanSharpe · 09/01/2024 22:08

Isn't the phrase 'it's all Greek to me' talking about the Greek language, referencing how it is considered difficult to learn? Not at all about Greek people.
On anti-Irish phrases, DH who has two Irish parents and considers himself Irish , was annoyed when early in our relationship I unthinkingly used the words 'paddy-wagon' saying someone had been carted off in one.
I regret to say I hadn't given it any thought at all. I can see how the phrase 'in a paddy' is similarly offensive.

redxlondon · 09/01/2024 22:08

Namechangedforobvsreasons · 09/01/2024 20:50

It's an ethnicity, and if you don't think you can be racist towards an ethnicity, tell that to the Jews and see how you get on.

They’d reply that it’s xenophobia

Icepinkeskimo · 09/01/2024 22:10

People get offended and don’t even understand the context or meaning of the phrase. Why am I no longer surprised? To lazy to research what a phrase means, if you don’t fully know the origination then why comment?

Just jump in there and get offended, because of the ignorant culture that prevails, and the inflated self opinion they possess.

Fswgkyoye · 09/01/2024 22:11

Morechocmorechoc · 09/01/2024 21:16

I doubt from what you said that she meant any offence. People grow up hearing phrases and tend to continue using them without thought. Today everyone will get offended by everything. Nobody used to, but now it's insulting rather than friendly banter (I'm not referring to your specific phrase but more things in general. Everyone wants to be offended about everything). Sad generation.

It's offensive, it implies Irish people are thick. It's funny that all anti-irish sentiment is couched in "banter". It's not banter; at best it's xenophobic, at worst racist. Saying having a paddy is equally offensive

Scorchio84 · 09/01/2024 22:11

"...Although if you asked her why is she saying it and are Irish people bad planners and she mentioned The National Children's Hospital then just stop talking she's won."
@Lovingitallnow 😆😆👏

I've literally never heard this expression before just now but I knew it wasn't going to be complimentary, so while I'd let it go in a workplace I would definitely judge the person going forward & avoid as much as possible

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 09/01/2024 22:11

www.businessinsider.com/offensive-phrases-that-people-still-use-2013-11

USA-centric but interesting and some I'd never heard of or others I'd never thought anything about but now I know.

measureofmydreams · 09/01/2024 22:12

I'm London Irish. I'd find that comment offensive and ignorant. I still hear the odd comment (although not v often) in the workplace (I work in professional services).

TeaKitten · 09/01/2024 22:13

Fswgkyoye · 09/01/2024 22:11

It's offensive, it implies Irish people are thick. It's funny that all anti-irish sentiment is couched in "banter". It's not banter; at best it's xenophobic, at worst racist. Saying having a paddy is equally offensive

Why is having a paddy equally offensive?

Lala727 · 09/01/2024 22:14

Because it's an equal slur to Irish people, or do you think having a tantrum is a complimentary thing?

kisstheblarney · 09/01/2024 22:15

@TeaKitten are you serious with why is having a paddy offensive?

Do you really not understand?

BassoContinuo · 09/01/2024 22:15

JustACountryMusicGirlInCowboyBoots · 09/01/2024 22:11

www.businessinsider.com/offensive-phrases-that-people-still-use-2013-11

USA-centric but interesting and some I'd never heard of or others I'd never thought anything about but now I know.

Well, they can bugger off if they think people are going to stop using “bugger”!

BingoMarieHeeler · 09/01/2024 22:18

Namechange666 · 09/01/2024 21:10

That's what that means?

I thought it was a child throwing a fit, didn't realise was derogatory?

You can’t say throwing a fit either because it’s offensive to people who have fits.

(Before people jump on me, I have seen exactly that said on here and therefore I don’t use ‘throw a fit’ or ‘have a paddy’ and just say tantrum)

Have never ever heard ‘that’s a bit Irish’ until now!

TeaKitten · 09/01/2024 22:18

kisstheblarney · 09/01/2024 22:15

@TeaKitten are you serious with why is having a paddy offensive?

Do you really not understand?

Do you really not understand what the purpose of asking a simple question is? Do you really not understand? Or are you just being rude for fun?

idontlikealdi · 09/01/2024 22:18

@blackpanth there is everything by wrong with it and it is racist.

Same as nick nack paddy whack

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