Sacked for using 'N' word

[Horrace]

I don't know how to copy link sorry but has anyone been following the story of the Lloyd's bank manager who was sacked for asking a relevant question in a so called anti racism training session by his employers but in his question he used the full 'N' word.
His question I believe was how would he be expected to deal with black employees or customers speaking to each other using that word.
The trainer was so offended by the word, she had to take 5 days off work. However, he got sacked.
He has since been awarded £500,00 but no apology from Lloyd's and no job back.
As far as we know, the ridiculous incompetent trainer is still employed.

I am close to this story but afraid to say how.
But will say that I'm losing sleep and furious more and more at this bank.

Eveybody needs to 'unlearn' it. Unless you're saying the racial term 'honkey' can be bandied about by white people.

Had a discussion about it with DC learning Spanish at primary school, as N words had also come up in DC's classmates listening to rap and our Enid Blyton bedtime stories! It didn't occur to me not to use the words in their entirety when explaining them (tbh I always say racist or misogynist slurs in whole if discussing them, rather than "n-word" or "c-word"), but I explained the shared Latin roots and a (far too brief) history of how they've been used, how words can carry terrible meanings and violence that hurt people and why they shouldn't be repeated.

Which then raises the question, if the customers are getting rowdy, perhaps after a few jars, how do staff interject?

And that is what the chap was asking the trainer, presumably the trainers answer should have been that in that case (ie jocular but disruptive banter) treat as you would any other such incident, regardless of language.

Job done, no one fired, no one upset, question answered.

@Carpediemmakeitcount oh we were in a bar when they were moving things and he said "listen to them, they're so racist" as they were saying this, that, not looking at him. He didn't mention any other instances. Think he was a friend of my workmates.

You just said ‘N’ word instead of the racial slur. So why do you think he’s incapable of avoiding saying the racial slur?

Hopefully they aren't teaching her that n**r means black in Spanish??

The word negro is black in Spanish, it's a completely different word!

Beginning to wonder if there are some extreme racists posing as Spanish teachers

The fact that a manager in a bank felt the need to ask this question shows it was not asked in good faith. It should be dealt with in the same way as other inappropriate language.

See also: two Scottish men calling each other cunts after a few drinks. Offensive to those around them; not the men themselves. Not appropriate in a bank though.

Exactly! Part of the job will be to come across people who need the training, and educate them. If no one ever said anything offensive or made any race-related errors, there’d be no need for training, and she’d be out of a job! It’s like a police man getting upset because he has to deal with criminals.

Or maybe just some racists posing as parents of 7 year olds/Spanish language experts on mumsnet.

The world has gone mad. I’m happy he got a fair settlement. At his age 500k should be enough to retire on in addition to his savings and pension.

People talking as if he’s committed the crime of the century need to gain a bit of perspective. As for the trainer who needed a week off to recover well words fail me.

So many racists on MN, it’s like a Whack-a-mole when reporting.

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With a population of over 1.5 billion I don't think "they" can be described by any single adjective other than Chinese.

That said, over Christmas my MIL (93 yo) came to stay and we thought putting some old Christmas movies on would be nice. Let's start with "Holiday Inn". Lovely movie. Fred Astaire, Bing Crosbie. White Christmas is the big number. The kids were fascinated when half way through my other half and I are scrabbling for the remote control as the entire cast goes into so-called "black face". Really? Can we not edit this out somehow by now????? 😑

I know. It's depressing.
And this thread is frightful.
They're out in force.

You can spot an “I’m not racist but …” a mile off.

"Why are lots of white people always mad that they can’t say the N word but some Black folks do. So used to having their way that the thought of being” excluded “ from something grinds their gears"

That's one interpretation of why some people get upset about being told a word can never pass their lips in any context. It probably is in some cases, but all cases? Do you think there could be any non racially motivated explanations as to why someone might object?

If you can't find any, do you think you could be biased/ blinkered in your views/ formulation? What if I insist you are biased and that I know for a fact you are biased?

Does anyone actually believe that a middle aged man who has worked in a bank for years, with many years of life experience, didn’t know that the correct way to describe the word is ‘the N word’, not the word in full? You are naive at best if you actually believe that.

I would believe it of a 6 year old saying it at school, but an older child, a teen, an adult....no fucking way!

Well it's a valid question if he has staff using it in the workplace no?

What reasons are they then?

If even newspapers refer to it as the N-word and are understood then why do you have a burning need to say the word in full?

Not the wrong person here though...

Do you think there could be any non racially motivated explanations as to why someone might object?

No. There is never a non-racially motivated reason for a white person to use a racist slur like the word this thread is about.

You don’t need to use that word. You could easily refer to it as “the n word” and people know exactly what you mean.

Just reading the replies to this....I agree using the word is highly offensive indeed, but surely in this context it isn't? When you are just referring to the word in a question? Am I missing something???

Yes, you’re missing that you don’t need to use the full word that is extremely offensive. Using ‘the N word’ to describe it when necessary, leaves no one in any doubt.

Why is it ok for black people to use it though?

Shouldn’t it be completely banned?

There was a white girl at a Kendrick Lamar concert called up on stage to join in with one of his songs. She did and then he stopped her and was like no you can’t do that…

I mean obviously, but why is he doing it in the first place? Or anyone?

What was the point in asking a white girl to rap along if she can’t. 🤷‍♀️

And why would someone need 5 days off work because someone asked a basic question about a work related issue outlining terminology others are using, not using it himself?

Bit baffled.

Bit baffled

I don’t think you are.

You're clearly really upset you can't use the n word.