To think Super Nanny Jo Frost has lost the plot?

[Pekoe78]

Assuming she sanctions the views on her social media page. Jo Frost has shared this bizarre scary post claiming that an unclean home is the “number one sign” of child abuse. How is she getting away with such inaccurate information? Surely she knows the difference between abuse and neglect and that actual abuse can happen in any home. If a child is actually suffering from real neglect, simply telling the parents “clean your house” is not going to help a complex situation. So what is she trying to achieve apart from making parents terrified of being accused of something because they are behind with cleaning?!

My son is 12 and granted adopted so my parenting is attachment based, but what is wrong with the naughty step?

I nannied for years before having him, and time outs were standard. What do people do now instead? I always did time out and then we would talk about what happened. Is that considered abusive now?

I see nothing wrong with the naughty step except my child thought it was funny and took themselve there as it was amusing, so doesnt work on all children

MN doesn't like the naughty step in my experience, but to me it's just a way to get the child to sit on their own to calm down before you talk to them about their behaviour.

Children won't listen to you while they're in the middle of a screaming fit.

Nothing wrong with a time out step or corner. Children need space and time to calm down thats all it is.

I was always grateful for time outs. When we were growing up, if we misbehaved, we got smacked. Time outs seemed like a good alternative for all concerned.

I did follow the stay in bed technique with my DC as well. We did bath, story, bed, kisses and cuddles. Then bed time darling. Then bed time. Then nothing. One of my DC has SEN, but he still needs to go to bed and go to sleep.

That post is wild.

Now is it a "Tidy your house or your neglecting your kids" or a "clean your house to cover your tracks" or a "neglect doesn't happen in a clean house"

... All are so wrong! I hope this isn't something she wrote because if she did I don't see how she can be considered a "parenting expert"... If you are neglecting your kid, the first thing you need to do are meet your kids needs and get help, not mop the floors! And yes a truly dirty home is not acceptable for a kid to live in but when it comes to neglect its one on a long list of problems.

Well children don't deserve to live in squalor so I agree with her. I'm sure she doesn't mean a few crumbs on the floor or dishes in the sink. She's likely thinking not an inch of floor space and be careful not to step on the animal excrement.

It's become increasingly common for 'influencers' on places like TikTok to film themselves cleaning their squalid home, blaming a bout of mental health. Months of washing piled up, not an inch of work surface, broken toys, junk food wrappers, half eaten food and dirty plates all over the place. I think if you've allowed your home to get like this you probably aren't meeting your children's other needs.

I expect much of it depends on how its used - as a moment to gather thoughts and calm down it's probably fine, but many people use it to shame, punish and try to hurt children by withdrawal of attention/affection.

Perhaps the difference between a 'time out' and a 'naughty step'.

I agree with her. I think it's disgusting to let your kids live in a dirty environment. My house is no show home but it's clean, comfortable and welcoming. Having a clean home is part of being a good parent IMO.

Mentally stable and resilient? The past generations?! Repressed, depressed and angry is closer to it. I don’t know which world you live in, but it isn’t the same one I live in.

I agree with you totally but then I watched her American series and it was like she had a personality transplant,she got really shouty and lost her shit and chucked a chicken nugget across the kitchen 😱🤣

many people use it to shame, punish and try to hurt children by withdrawal of attention/affection.

Then they're not following Jo's methods if that's how they're doing it.

That's grim! I would definitely judge if I visited your house. Imagine how dirty the inside must be then.

😂

There are people out there who genuinely don't know that kids shouldn't have to live in a house full of animal shit with rubbish piled up and cigarette gunge oozing out the walls, because that's how they were brought up themselves. Maybe it's aimed at them?

I actually cannot remember a time when I've been out walking and I've seen somebody outside and cleaning the front door. Surely if everybody was at it regularly then there would be some evidence on it. Or are you meant to do it under the covers of darkness? Like a door cleaning ninja?

I'm not sure that one message is enough to challenge generational issues. Im not disagreeing with you because I agree with your point. Maybe I need context to the statement because when we make statements like that they can be interpreted in a multitude of ways as this thread shows.

Sometimes I think social media/ society links tidy house to good parenting and that ideology was all I was challenging.

Now must dash got to scrub my windowsills before Jo frost confiscates my kids 😂

So yet another daily task to add to my nightly Mumsnet approved regime.

I'm already so busy taking washing in in case it gets darked on or spiders rub their Willie's on it. Now I gotta sponge down the door and sills in the dead of night too?

Do we wear black so we can't be seen or should we ostentatiously scrub in reflective gear with a lantern?

In dark clothes, I think...like the times you revised like hell for a test but pretend to you mates it was a fluke when you get top marks...like a stealthy swat.

The only people I ever see cleaning their front doors are those cleaning influencers on TikTok who clearly get paid for doing so

I personally have better things to do with my free time than scrubbing a front door.

Ah a bit like when you clean your house for company and then say 'sorry about the mess'.

Exactly like that!

Sorry you had to knock on my door with your actual knuckles today, please don't report me to ss 😢

It's cool, I'm off to market dirty door knocking gloves for the Ms Hinch market.

If I do them in white they can double up to check the skirting boards.

I cleaned my front door and step yesterday. I was washing the dog's paws and noticed she'd shaken nearby. I used the towel to dry her to then wipe the marks off the door. I do clean the outer window sills and door frames but only a few times a year. I think I'm okay. 😀