To think Super Nanny Jo Frost has lost the plot?

[Pekoe78]

Assuming she sanctions the views on her social media page. Jo Frost has shared this bizarre scary post claiming that an unclean home is the “number one sign” of child abuse. How is she getting away with such inaccurate information? Surely she knows the difference between abuse and neglect and that actual abuse can happen in any home. If a child is actually suffering from real neglect, simply telling the parents “clean your house” is not going to help a complex situation. So what is she trying to achieve apart from making parents terrified of being accused of something because they are behind with cleaning?!

I had to do similar. We're talking days-old soiled nappies on the floor, a stench you could smell the second the door was opened and just utter chaos throughout (plates of half-eaten food left on the table for days, absolute ingrained filth and black mould everywhere).
There's a huge difference between that and a generally untidy/not especially well cleaned house.

Probably because extended breastfeeding is usually practised by wet lettuces who are quite dreadful at parenting and actually creating a secure environment.

Jo was actually way ahead of the times with the naughty step, what most detractors miss is she got down to their level and explained why, she got parents to understand their kids emotions and NOT to tell them off for valid feelings, she got kids to tell their parents how they felt and make secure attachments. She implemented boundaries and emotional safety where the parents didn't even recognise the problem.
She never abused or shouted at kids and stopped parents doing so.

I really think those who criticise don't know much about attachment theory themselves. Gentle parenting isn't going to work and is certainly not evidence based.

ODFOD.

Its true. Thats why she is sayibg it. She doesn't mean messy or not hoovered today. She means dirty, bins not taken out, rubbish on the floor, plates not washed up. Skid marks in the toilet not cleaned for days at a time.

If you are neglectful of your home environment you are probably neglecting other things in your life. Its not a good environment for children. Or adults for that matter.

Having a clean house wouldn't have stopped me being abused.

But I'd have been in a nicer and safer environment in between attacks. And she wouldn't have got away with refusing visits on the basis of 'I haven't tidied up, I'm so overworked and busy with all the children and animals and my back hurts', as that false embarrassment convinced them that she was a hard done by widow instead of a vicious abuser who used stuff and dirt as a means of inflicting injury amongst other sneaky methods - more fun to set up a stack of shite or leave things on the stairs to entertain yourself with the injuries (and a good excuse for a punch to the side of the head for 'messing up things' 'you shouldn't have been touching it' 'serves you right for not wearing shoes'.

What a load of shit.

No - it was a major charity in England that works with social services

Absolutely, what a totally embarrassing post. Better tell WHO that all their research is wrong and extended breastfeeding isn’t beneficial, it’s pRActiCed bY wEt lETtuCes
IME that opinion is usually expressed by the hard of thinking who can’t separate breasts from sex.

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The main point of the naughty step is to get the parents who shout to reflect and step out of their abuse, not to isolate the child. It involves talking to the child and helping the regulate instead of escalating. It teaches the parents to calm down and be the adult with the boundaries, not to get into a power play. Then it's about repair and understanding, with reflection about how the behaviour happened.
It's literally the forerunner of gentle parenting! Clearly the detractors don't actually understand the techniques, she showed parents how to show unconditional positive regard whilst still having boundaries and improving their attachments.

BTW the WHO advice is aimed at a world wide audience, in many developing or emerging countries extended breastfeeding is best.
Past 2 yrs at night and 1ish all the time in the UK is quite clearly usually practised by a certain type, the gentle parents who don't usually see the harm they do by not explaining the world to their children.

I don't trust a word she says. She lost me completely after she advised propping baby up on the sofa and bottle feeding at arms length so 'baby doesn't confuse feeding time with cuddle time'

Madness.

No she didn’t.

Also, that isn’t how she used the ‘naughty step’. The naughty step IS a literal power play which is extremely likely to lead to an escalation on both sides, and it directly uses ostracism to attempt to force a change in behaviour. It is the removal of ‘unconditional positive regard’-

Otherwise why is the child removed? Why isn’t the method called ‘adult walk away and count to 10’ if the point isn’t to assert your power over the child by forcing it to sit in one space, and then ostracise it by having that space be separate to everyone else?!

Honestly a little ‘knowledge’ (and a few buzz words) make a lot of people dangerous 🤦‍♀️.

Breast milk and breastfeeding is beneficial no matter where you live in the world. The WHO does not specify that it’s only beneficial to developing countries. Breastfeeding does not harm a child FFS

Clearly all babies fed beyond the bare minimum are destined to develop an Elektra complex.

You've been misinformed.

The WHO guidance to mothers that it's in children's interests for us to aim to BF for at least 2 years applies to mothers in the UK just as much as mothers in any other country.

What's different in the UK is that we have very low BFing rates - some of the lowest in the world - due to an anti-BFing culture fostered over generations. It's cultural, it's not based on our DC's best interests.

Nope.

14 months isn't extended breastfeeding though. Someone might have used that term past twelve months, but a lot of women go up to around eighteen months. It's ridiculous to suggest that the majority are wet lettuces, they will be putting up with a lot of opinions and constantly coming up against people who just don't get it. The evidence is there that bf is beneficial in every way still and works well for winter babies. However it needs to be remembered that she was trying to give a solution to parents who were struggling. I agree with what she says about a clean environment and it might make family who are minimising what's going on, think again.

What do you base that on? Are you working in early years in a lower/WC area? Mix in something like the Nigerian/Zimbabwe community? You won't find many people not explaining the world, in those bf their over 1 year old.

Neglect is a form of child abuse;
Sexual, Physical, Emotional, Neglect

Perhaps she’s got a new programme out - super dirt inspector! 😂

To the people saying she's not qualified to give advice, you are right, but she had psychologists working with her behind the scenes, telling her what to do and say on each programme. If you read the titles at the end of each show, the names of the experts are shown. The advice such as using the naughty step etc must have been what the experts believed to be right at the time. Nowadays, forcing a child to sit away from you in silence for a while, while they are clearly very upset, would not be advised of course. I don't know where she got this latest post from, or if it's just her own thoughts, but it is very poorly worded.

This Jo Frost post was first on my FB feed this morning, I think it was along the lines of go clean your fridge/house/toys and wash your towels & bedding. It was like a Flylady throwback, but I do agree with earlier posters, there can be terrible abuse in a very clean tidy home and a lot of love in a dirtier home where parents or grandparents or even a neighbour who might be ill or disabled or over-worked are just doing the best they can to support a child.

But I'm not a social worker or someone like Jo Frost who's worked with a lot of families - how about @MNHQ asks Jo Frost onto a AMA thread?

What is your point?

Yes, that happens and if a child is living in squalor because of it, the parent needs help to address whatever is causing them to allow that to happen.

Are you suggesting it should be ignored because they'll feel embarrassed afterwards if anyone knows they lived like that?

I think the psychobabble such as UPR s s lot more dangerous when it comes to child rearing than centuries of wisdom which produced well behaved, mentally stable , resulient kids.