to think that Deliveroo etc should be banned!

[Coastalwalks]

Hi all,

I live in London and was recently nearly knocked off my bike by a deliveroo driver on a moped (he was completely in the wrong, though will not be drawing a road diagram to illustrate lol). When I shouted at him he just made fun of my voice and it enraged me soooo much. These are my chief issues with deliveroo etc:

• There are now so many dangerous drivers either on mopeds or bikes with batteries illegally fitted to them - flagrantly going the wrong way up one-way streets, running reds etc. Very dangerous and a friend of mine recently had someone break into her secure underground parking area to steal her electric bike. There was so much damage to the property and she basically thinks that her bike was nicked to order.
• I looked into it and deliveroo actually acknowledge that deliveroo drivers 'rent out' their accounts to others, many of whom are undocumented migrants - but they put the responsibility on the original driver to check that the person renting the account has the right to work etc! Complete dereliction of duty, and basically facilitates the exploitation / trafficking of illegal immigrants who then have no legal protection, don't pay tax etc...
• On a slightly pious level I think it's terrible and lazy that so many people now think it's normal to be able to just order food in so rapidly - like it is genuinely quite aristocratic to expect to press a button and have a shawarma wrap at your door in <20 minutes. People should learn to cook or at least have to walk round the block to the chippy. It's lazy!
• Meeting the deliveroo orders in small restaurants means it takes twice as long to get your actual food, and it ruins the ambiance when there are loads of deliveroo drivers outside or at the door (though acknowledge this is not the case at Naice restaurants)
• Everyone I know who works in FS has to basically eat a deliveroo at their desk at 8pm every night - maybe without deliveroo everyone could go home a bit earlier ! ! ! !

YABU - let me have my massaman curry you calvinistic treat-hater
YANBU - deliveroo is a scourge

Where did the £7 come from?

It does seem like the government cracks down on legal drivers but not the delivery drivers who have permanent L plates

Look, here’s that order on Deliveroo. It’s nowhere near £23. Food is £9.29, delivery is 99p and if you spend over £15 it’s free. Whatever you are being told, he is ordering more food than that.

Nope, you are misinformed. See photo above.

I'm going to flip this argument round then and suggest that if food is being delivered for 99p deliveroo employs slaves.

That’s not flipping the argument around, that’s making a completely different point.

However you don’t think that the delivery charge passed on to the customer is exactly the same as what the driver is paid, do you? While I am sure that the pay is not amazing, it’s a lot more complicated than that.

Oh and Deliveroo doesn’t actually employ anyone. That’s kind of the problem.

If you phone your local Chinese or Indian takeaway, often the driver isn’t paid at all, purely relying on tips.

I get annoyed whilst waiting in a queue to be served for food and drink even at places like Costa - online orders are prioritised!

Which would be illegal.

You can't employ someone to deliver takeaways and not make sure they receive minimum wage, and pay their NICs etc. You should report those takeaways to the National Crime Agency, because I suspect no one would be working in those conditions without significant coercion or manipulation.

I'm not sure that is true though. I've never heard of such a situation.

Whether or not Deliveroo workers are exploited is a different issue with different legal implications.

They are dangerous. I'm surprised they don't get in more accidents than they do

National Express should also be banned. Drivers exceeding the speed limit in a built up area, really dangerous speeds, not slowing at crossings and wouldn't be able to stop if someone was crossing.

No, they don’t deliver to where I live.

I just observed your weird perspective of what is and isn’t lazy seems to unjustly favour your position…

while the debate rages on, I'm just casually tucking into a massive portion of boneless wings delivered by deliveroo.....

Lazy? I mean, if making modern life easier for yourself is lazy sure. Do you also grow your own veg/kill your own meat/make your own clothes? Walk to the river for water?

You're so lazy.

Is this not why we have an obesity crisis. McDonald's has gone from something you get once in a blue moon at the services on a long drive, to it knocking on your own front door.

Obesity in the UK predates the existence of Deliveroo by quite a number of years....

As per a PP, obesity is more of a issue when you're poor. Truly poor people can't afford Deliveroo.

It does but MN loves any excuse to take a pop at fat people.

Haven’t read whole thread so I don’t know whether anyone has said this already, but there is a specific legal reason why deliveroo riders were given complete freedom to appoint someone else to do their delivery. It was to defeat a claim by the Deliveroo riders of Camden that they were ‘workers’, which would have entitled them to organise with a trade union to collectively negotiate their wages, and to the national minimum wage and holiday pay etc.

Their whole business model demanded that they retain complete freedom over how much or how little they wanted to pay the Riders at any one time, depending on ‘demand’ (over supply, surge pricing etc), sort of like a turbo charged return to the nineteenth century. The national minimum wage was definitely not for the likes of them.

Deliveroo saw what happened to Uber and the other courier companies in the Supreme Court and so they structured their contract to give their riders complete freedom to appoint a substitute ‘rider’ of their choice, with this precise aim.

They fought their case against the riders having the rights of workers all the way from the employment tribunal to the Supreme Court. Along the way, judges commented on how it was up to deliveroo if they wanted to organise their business so that eg female customers could be opening their front doors to a complete unaccountable stranger, how there was zero control of food safety etc. If their priority was to organise their business model so as to prevent collective bargaining of pay irrespective of other risks and reputational harm, that was a matter for them.

I don't mind that as such, it's walking past a place, thinking "oh good there's no queue," then having to wait for about 10 deliveroo orders. If I had known I wouldn't have gone in !

Nope.

Clearly it was a Deliveroo driver with a very urgent pizza (VIP) to deliver.

e scooters and Uber are a bigger menace here on the roads (city).

@Coastalwalks go ahead, ban Deliveroo etc… And watch a lot of restaurants disappear. Whether we like it or not, they’re a lifeline to many of our favourite eateries. Without online orders, many would have to close their doors.

What did the restaurants do before deliveroo though

I'm sure they did deliveries with their own drivers

Who cares! We can all choose to be lazy every now and again BECAUSE WE CAN! Eating McDonald's breakfast in bed right now after working 7am til 9pm for 5 days straight. I'm exhausted and I didn't want to bother with cooking. Not that I actually need an excuse to do this

The driver you encountered was a total douche bag, completely irrelevant to the rest of your whine

And delivery orders are out the the back of the queue with any decent restaurant fyi