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Struggling to make ends meet as a junior doctor. AIBU?

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HK3444 · 03/01/2024 22:39

Struggling to make ends meet. Rent has gone up, food bills are going up and struggling to support my kids.

I’m someone worked really hard through medical school, it felt like endless exams and accumulated student debt with the hope that I’d be able to support my family comfortably at the end of the degree and but also feel job satisfaction bettering the health of others.

Not sure what this was all for… can’t believe I’m in this situation as a doctor

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coffeeaddict77 · 03/01/2024 22:59

FreeezePeach · 03/01/2024 22:56

Did you not know how much you'd be earning when you started studying?

They may have started studying 10 or 15 years ago. Salaries are a lot lower now than they were a few years ago.

BagOfBollocks · 03/01/2024 22:59

RebelMoon · 03/01/2024 22:55

What is the starting salary for junior doctors? Does it very depending on the hospital, dept etc?

Doctors in training

As a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other potential pay premia.

In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £32,398 to £37,303 (from 1 April 2023).
If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2023 your basic salary will be £43,923 to £63,152.

Taken from this link.

FreeezePeach · 03/01/2024 23:00

coffeeaddict77 · 03/01/2024 22:59

They may have started studying 10 or 15 years ago. Salaries are a lot lower now than they were a few years ago.

This is why I asked the OP?

Otalask · 03/01/2024 23:02

Hiya.

Any idea when I'm going to get my hysterectomy? I lost my job just before Xmas because my employer was fucked off with my absence record now that my symptoms are so poorly controlled.

Admittedly that job didn't pay as much as yours does but it was the only income in my household as I'm a single parent.

I can give you budgeting tips if you like.

NewyearNewyear2024 · 03/01/2024 23:03

What’s your situation op? Do you have a partner? How old are your children? (Thinking of childcare costs.) How long ago did you qualify?

Saschka · 03/01/2024 23:03

Depends on where OP lives, and how old her children are, but if she is a single parent in London, she will absolutely struggle on a JD salary.

OP, have you actually looked into universal credit? If you have children you may well be eligible, depending on your household income. Otherwise, can you look into moving into a cheaper area?

ScierraDoll · 03/01/2024 23:04

Junior doctors pleading poverty - don't make me laugh

DamnUserName21 · 03/01/2024 23:06

YANBU. I do hope you are claiming any financial help available to you.

Soontobe60 · 03/01/2024 23:06

Peasand · 03/01/2024 22:57

£14/hour no additional payments for 12,5 hour night shifts and weekend shift work

Edited

Where do you get those figures from?
Doctors in trainingAs a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other potential pay premia.
In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £32,398 to £37,303 (from 1 April 2023).
If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2023 your basic salary will be £43,923 to £63,152.

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors#:~:text=In%20Foundation%20training%2C%20you%20will,£43%2C923%20to%20£63%2C152.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/exploring-the-earnings-of-nhs-doctors-in-england

Glossary

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/glossary#Foundation_training

Crispynoodle · 03/01/2024 23:06

Solidarity with you let's hope the next government sorts out public sector workers

CheezePleeze · 03/01/2024 23:07

HK3444 · 03/01/2024 22:49

It isn’t about mega bucks it’s about being able to pay my bills and support my kids

Most people I know who work hard are in the same boat.

Tough times no matter which job they've chosen 🤷‍♂️

It sucks.

Jitterybugs · 03/01/2024 23:08

Junior doctors average £14 per hour. My neighbour pays her cleaner £18 and her dog walker £16 per hour 🤷‍♀️

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 23:08

I knew junior doctor pay was bad, but not that bad. That's rubbish 😞 What about looking forward though? Does the pay get a lot better?
As a teacher with 20 years' experience I'm still looking at only around 30k pa.

TwoUnderTwitTwoo · 03/01/2024 23:11

@HK3444 I am so sorry that you are going through this. If you are a “junior” doctor now then you probably applied to medical 8 - 18 years ago and things have changed so much since then. Wages have barely gone up in £ terms, and after inflation it looks appalling. I think the FT had a good graph to show how low doctors wages have dropped in comparison to the general public and even their other NHS colleagues. From what I read in the Financial Times, by inflation-adjusted standards your wage should be 30-50% higher and it’s even more extreme for the consultants. It’s no wonder that your money isn’t stretching far, and you had no way of predicting how bad this would be when you first applied to medical school. Unfortunately you won’t have the pension to look forward to that older (age 50+) consultants have either. I’m sorry to be so bleak.

My husband, now in his 40s, left medicine 3 years ago (after an impressive career) to start his own business and although it was a big risk at the time, it’s the best thing that ever happened to us. Our lives are transformed now and for the next generation. I can’t imagine how hard it would be for us now. His career was breaking all of us. We still struggle to talk to one another now about just how bad it was, so I won’t post here when some people are so unsympathetic. The short notice rotations to a new hospital 80 miles from us with just a week’s notice, while studying for exams that he paid £1000s for, the relentless shifts that never ended when they should, and the shocking way that people treat NHS staff. I don’t know why British people hate doctors so much. They are so dedicated, they (and their families) sacrifice so much for their patients, and it is totally reasonable to expect good compensation. It shouldn’t be charity work but that’s basically what it has become. I can’t imagine how much worse it is now for doctors graduating with 100k debt with high interest rates.

Husband recommended the royal medical benevolent fund to help you get through this rough patch. Have you applied to them?
https://rmbf.org/

Can you move? His specialty makes about $600k in other countries but here in the UK on his NHS salary we couldn’t support the 2 children we have now, including childcare and adequate help, which we absolutely needed as it took such a toll on us both. We have too many family commitments here towards elderly relatives so we felt really stuck, but the government is counting on that. Get out if you can.

Again I am really sorry to be so bleak, but reading your post and writing this now has just brought so much flooding back. Oh my god I could write forever on this but this post is already too long and upsetting. I hope you’re okay.

Royal Medical Benevolent Fund - Help for Doctors in Need

https://rmbf.org/

DamnUserName21 · 03/01/2024 23:11

ScierraDoll · 03/01/2024 23:04

Junior doctors pleading poverty - don't make me laugh

If OP is a single parent with high living costs, she may well be on the breadline.

A basic salary of 32000 approx will be a take home of what £1800ish per month net. Does not go far in high rent areas.

Let's have more info before we judge.

Soontobe60 · 03/01/2024 23:11

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 23:08

I knew junior doctor pay was bad, but not that bad. That's rubbish 😞 What about looking forward though? Does the pay get a lot better?
As a teacher with 20 years' experience I'm still looking at only around 30k pa.

Why? After 20 years teaching you should be on M6 at least - that’s £41K - or UPS 3 taking you to £46.5K

PaganOfTheGoodTimes · 03/01/2024 23:12

I think a lot of people commenting about the ' start of your career' dont understand that anything up to a consultant or gp is a junior doctor and may have been working at this level for up to 9 years- it's not just the fresh graduates. Yanbu op. The way doctors are treated in this country is appalling and all part of the tories trying to ruin the service in advance of a sell off.

caringcarer · 03/01/2024 23:12

I do think junior doctors should be given more money. I'm not sure how it works? Doesn't the NHS get a budget and then decide how they spend it? They should stop installing all the highly paid diversity people and give the money to the doctors and nurses but they don't.

kitsuneghost · 03/01/2024 23:12

Does your husband work?

doubleshift · 03/01/2024 23:12

@Otalask that's awful. So sorry.
I cannot support doctors strike at all and think it is despicable what they are purposely doing to destroy people's lives. The doctors strike doesn't just cause inconvenience to people like when trains don't run, this strike is having permanent life changing impacts on ordinary citizens. For an unrealistic and greedy wage increase % demand.

TwoUnderTwitTwoo · 03/01/2024 23:13

@HK3444 Sorry about the very long post, but when I read your OP out loud to my husband it just brought back a lot. His only real practical advice at this stage is applying to the royal medical benevolent fund. https://rmbf.org/

Royal Medical Benevolent Fund - Help for Doctors in Need

https://rmbf.org/

Soontobe60 · 03/01/2024 23:13

DamnUserName21 · 03/01/2024 23:11

If OP is a single parent with high living costs, she may well be on the breadline.

A basic salary of 32000 approx will be a take home of what £1800ish per month net. Does not go far in high rent areas.

Let's have more info before we judge.

On that income, if the OP is a single parent, I expect they would qualify for some UC, child tax credits.
OP, please make sure you’re claiming everything you’re entitled to.

LorlieS · 03/01/2024 23:13

@Soontobe60 M6 as had 3 mat leaves. No where near as they deduct student loan etc.

PurpleOrchid42 · 03/01/2024 23:14

It makes me so sad. I've almost exclusively experienced phenomenally good care from NHS doctors and midwives, and I found them to be highly professional and inspirational.

Is there anything more important that receiving good care from a doctor, when you are faced with a life threatening condition? It is so, so sad that these phenomenal people are treated like they are worth next to nothing. I don't want to see a doctor who is unbelievably stressed because they're doing the job of 3 people, or can barely afford to feed their kids! I want them to be relaxed, and happy, to feel valued and at the top of their game. Not trampled on and kicked around. Pay them what they're actually worth!!!

MotherOfRatios · 03/01/2024 23:15

OP MN isn't sympathetic to young people a lot think we should just skip Netflix and a coffee and that will enable us to buy a house etc yet alone a junior doctor.

We have high taxes and then our student loan takes even more....

Also junior doctors don't really get much of a say in where their placed it's not as simple as just moving to a cheaper area.

Sending hugs!