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To think Sadiq Khan is a hypocrite?

152 replies

Newyeargrinch · 01/01/2024 10:59

He's been banging on about climate change and the environment all year and introduced the ULEZ scheme which he claims will clean up London's air (while also causing financial hardship to those who can least afford it in a cost of living crisis). Then he spends millions on a fireworks display sending pollutants into the skies above London??

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 16:28

MojoMoon · 01/01/2024 16:20

What evidence do you have that the fox and squirrel population of London is declining?

Not London based but nationally squirrels have increased and foxes declined - the London Wildlife Trust believes the London fox population has been stable for a couple of decades now and largely self regulating based on available food and territory (most foxes in London don't live in public parks anyway but in gardens and private land)

https://www.bto.org/our-science/projects/breeding-bird-survey/latest-results/mammal-monitoring

But I'll add a declining fox population to the list of things cyclists are supposedly to blame for.

Empirical evidence.

I'm in West London and there are fewer foxes and fewer squirrels around. The woodpeckers have gone. The variety of birds in my garden has declined.

But I'll add a declining fox population to the list of things cyclists are supposedly to blame for.

You can also add Saddiq Khan and greedy developers to that.

MojoMoon · 01/01/2024 16:33

That is anecdote, not empirical evidence.

I saw three foxes this morning in east London. I don't suggest that is evidence their population is growing either.

Declining bird populations is a horrific national phenomenon and one that doesn't get enough attention but it's not exclusive to London since Khan became mayor.

Newyeargrinch · 01/01/2024 16:38

Thanks for your replies.

I've always voted Labour and voted for Sadiq as Mayor. However, I've become disillusioned with Labour for a number of reasons and am seriously unsure if I can vote for them in the next election, although I accept that the Tories are far worse and could've stopped ULEZ if they'd wanted. I like the fireworks and would be sad if they didn't have them and agree that any negative effect on air pollution is negligible, as is the benefit to air pollution in outer London from the ULEZ expansion which is nothing more than a cash grab. The number of people affected by ULEZ is relatively small but it affects the poorest members of society. I've seen first hand the devastation and hardship it can cause - the scrappege scheme is not fit for purpose as, even if you manage to get the full 2k, no way can you get a half decent compliant car for that, especially as ULEZ has caused the prices of such cars to soar.

If it wasn't for SK being so vocal about his passion for addressing climate change (such as that book) and the self promotion in the display itself, then perhaps it wouldn't seem so hypocritical. I've never felt so politically lost tbh.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 16:39

I don’t really care what you have seen today.

I have been observing my local foxes and squirrels for over 20 years.

LadyKenya · 01/01/2024 16:39

Reugny · 01/01/2024 12:35

And you think Susan Hall would do any better?

Can you explain why the Tories have chosen an extremely poor candidate yet again?

If the Tories wanted to give Londoners a proper choice they would have chosen someone who wasn't a completely mad racist liar.

This.

SallyWD · 01/01/2024 16:44

Eleganz · 01/01/2024 12:25

Nope, he would have been absolutely hammered had he, the mayor of one of the major capital cities in the world, not put on such a display. That display will have barely moved the needle on the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

Exactly. People just love to slag him off whatever he does because they hate having a slightly left wing Muslim as London mayor.

ReTrainTheBrain · 01/01/2024 16:46

I'm not surprised there's a declining bird population. They keep chopping trees down in our area. Local parks and all along a dual carriageway. They must've been home to lots of birds and insects.

As for foxes, I actually hate them because theyre all over the place here in ne London area. They poo everywhere and it drives us mad.

We have lots of birds too. I put a feeder out and we get all sorts.

flapjackfairy · 01/01/2024 16:55

BIossomtoes · 01/01/2024 14:16

You do know people pay to see them?

Really ? In that case I stand corrected. Always assumed they were free.

Ponoka7 · 01/01/2024 16:59

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 16:12

Email about what? The tree planting that’s apparently going on?

Because I don’t have eyes and don’t see what’s going on?

London is being solidly built on, every green space is either disappearing or is crowded with people and taken by cyclists, but the Mayor is supposedly planting trees.

There are even fewer squirrels and foxes around. The last time I saw a hedgehog was 20 odd years ago.

London isn't the only place that's happening. Bring it up on here and you'll be called a racist and xenophobic for being concerned about our rising population and the amount of housing we now need.

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 20:37

It is possible to walk from central London to Notting Hill Gate, through St James's Park, into Green Park, cross into Hyde Park onward into Kensington Gardens. Lots of birds, trees, squirrels. And not a Sadiq Khan in sight. It's a very nice walk. And it's free.

HermioneWeasley · 01/01/2024 20:46

I am baffled why Londoners keep electing him.

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 20:50

Well you'll understand when you study the alternative.

IClaudine · 01/01/2024 21:09

HermioneWeasley · 01/01/2024 20:46

I am baffled why Londoners keep electing him.

I felt the same when Johnson kept getting elected🤷‍♀️

Exasperatednow · 01/01/2024 21:11

IClaudine · 01/01/2024 21:09

I felt the same when Johnson kept getting elected🤷‍♀️

Me too.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 21:17

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 20:37

It is possible to walk from central London to Notting Hill Gate, through St James's Park, into Green Park, cross into Hyde Park onward into Kensington Gardens. Lots of birds, trees, squirrels. And not a Sadiq Khan in sight. It's a very nice walk. And it's free.

Have a word with yourself. Central London to Nothing Hill Gate, where the most expensive properties are. I'm sure it's all green and lovely.

What about the rest of London? Hounslow, Acton, Tower Hamlets? Peckham? Do the rest of us not deserve trees, parks, birds and squirrels?

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 01/01/2024 21:30

There will always be a fireworks display in London on nye whoever is in charge. Surely its better to do something about air quality / climate change than nothing. Also the emissions from the display will be insignificant.

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 21:32

I thought this thread was about clean air and lack of green space and Mr Khan forcing us to breathe clean air, the beast. Hounslow has Hounslow Heath, Bedfont Lakes, Osterley Park, Crane River Park, Syon Park, Kew just across the Thames, all overflowing with trees birds squirrels, foxes etc. Acton similarly has lots of green spaces. I don't know the East side, maybe it is the concrete jungle you believe it is. Bloody Khan. Building. In a city and trying to clean up the air. Terrible.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 21:51

newnamethanks · 01/01/2024 21:32

I thought this thread was about clean air and lack of green space and Mr Khan forcing us to breathe clean air, the beast. Hounslow has Hounslow Heath, Bedfont Lakes, Osterley Park, Crane River Park, Syon Park, Kew just across the Thames, all overflowing with trees birds squirrels, foxes etc. Acton similarly has lots of green spaces. I don't know the East side, maybe it is the concrete jungle you believe it is. Bloody Khan. Building. In a city and trying to clean up the air. Terrible.

Have you seen the thousands of new builds in there? Have you driven from Heathrow to Central London recently?

Not a postage stamp of green space in between the tens of thousands of new flats.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 21:53

But he is planting trees.

Apparently.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 21:58

When you allow building as much as he does, then you have to plan for parks and green spaces.

The Mayor doesn’t.

He slapped the ULEZ, which is sll
abour the money. If the objective was clean air, then he would have insisted on new parks and green spaces to match the ones we have until now.

IClaudine · 01/01/2024 21:59

Have you seen the thousands of new builds in there? Have you driven from Heathrow to Central London recently?

But we need more flats and houses, there are not enough being built. They have to be built somewhere.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 22:00

And actually, with the high density of building we need more parks than we’re planned for in the past.

Instead we’re building future slums.

Allfur · 01/01/2024 22:03

Hermione - so you don't live in london but from outside looking in you are baffled by londoners choices, but not experiencing their lifestyle yourself?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/01/2024 22:03

Do we?

Or do they just serve the greed of the planners and investors?

Southpoint · 02/01/2024 06:29

Hypocrite yes. Worse Mayor of London definitely. I am more worry about the stabbings tbh.