Aibu to be sick of this!! Dog breeders on sm

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Argh I am so sick of opening up fb or instagram etc and friends or people that I know having and advertising dog litters! Most the time cross breeds or their x breed crosses!! Advertising puppy’s for new homes
one has “7 needs new homes aged 8 week’s”
like why have you done it if you don’t have people lined up!! Aibu to think it’s irresponsible and selfish , as I thought dog shelters were over run! I have no issue if people breed responsible eg if there’s demand and they are doing all the research and relevant health testing etc etc but it feels like they are not thinking about anything other than a potential financial gain?

Past two days I’ve seen sausages dog litters looking for homes and cocker spaniels and poodle crosses and doodles etc etc lost count …. small google search tells me there’s over 90 odd litters of one particular breed in my area alone!!!!

even more annoying is them asking questions such as why is my bitch doing this? Why is the puppies doing that? Do I need to worm them etc etc

argh come on why oh why are you asking for advice on Facebook and not your vet or doing the bloody research before hand!!!

is it me or are other people noticing this? It’s making me sad as I am actually a dog and animal lover and I wasn’t against breeding as such until maybe the last year when I’ve been more aware of this

plus another woman I know bred her dog and had issues and all the litter died!! I won’t forget it! Doubt she will too.

job for today is to remove all these posts off my news feed as I don’t want to see it anymore.

Hard disagree. I think getting rid of companion animals would widen our gulf from the non-human world, not close
It. My first dog taught me so much about the emotions of animals, opened my eyes to so much I hadn't understood before. I think it's an ancient and beautiful symbiotic relationship. Dogs can be vegetarian or fed on lower impact foods like grub or insect- based food.

I do think it's fucking weird that people will adore their dog and then go and eat a pig or drink milk from cows who have their babies taken away from them but that's a different thread I guess.

People spend money on all kinds of recreational and non-essential things when they could use it to help poor kids instead. Pet ownership may gall you more and it makes for a more emotive comparison but it's actually not different from eating out or buying someone a Christmas present or yourself a book or a cinema ticket, in that particular respect.

I would disagree no one needs pets. We have a loneliness epidemic.

When I had my dog decades ago, it was from a proper breeder. We saw mum before she mated. Saw her pg, saw the pups when very young, then eventually took her home. A mum at school was breeding her dog for the second year in a row with no owners lined up. Couldn't get rid of them. I was tempted but I didn't know if mum would be pg again next year like a money printing machine, her temperament, nothing.

An ex neighbour also does this. Sold the pups for 3k each so makes 30k a year. Or did. Said there very little profit left after costs but had a brand new 30k car on the drive.

Drives me mad. It's just money-making and completely exploitative. People should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Decent breeders would not need to peddle their puppies on Facebook.

My SM is wall to walk XL Bully’s to be rehomed. I can imagine plenty being abandoned after 31/12

Absolutely. No one should buy from puppy farms or other irresponsible breeders. I would only have a rescue pet.

@Ofcourseshecan we tried to adopt a rescue but were turned down repeatedly as we have cats.

In the end we got a puppy from a local licensed breeder. Saw him.every week until he was 8weeks when we brought him home. We saw him with his mum and with his litter mates.

However I do agree that there needs to be far more regulation. People shouldn't be allowed to breed their dogs unless they are licensed with full annual inspections by vets.

And any advertising on social media ought to be made illegal.

If these people are your ‘friends and people you know’ why are you surrounding yourself with them? I’ve never, ever seen anyone in my social media feeds making money out of selling puppies because I don’t mix with people who flog inbred animals to idiots. Think carefully about the company you keep, is my advice.

In an ideal world 90% of people would have a rescue. But life doesn't work like that.

I was turned down from several rescues and the ONLY one that would give me a dog told me they would select the dog for me (Battersea). They tried to give me XL bullies, a GSD or a Cane Corse! I have no business or interest in those dogs. When I said I wanted something like a Labrador or a cocker spaniel, they said they didn't think I was 'the right sort of person. As a dog lover would take any dog.' Bullshit. A dog lover and a responsible owner knows what breeds are appropriate for them.

The other rescues wouldn't give me a dog as they said my (full time) from home work pattern was incompatible with a pet. Despite my hours being flexible and having a large garden. I ended up buying my dogs from breeders (reputable ones, tbf). But, if you don't have the significant money to buy from a breeder (£2-3K depending on the breed) then realistically irresponsible breeders or puppy farms are your only option. I don't agree with it, but I can see why it happens.

XL bullies being rehomed... mostly because those people cannot exempt them!

To exempt, you need somewhere to keep the dog - if you live in rented accomodation, social housing, etc you may find the tenancy agreement does not permit an illegal/banned/exempted breed.

You also need the dog to stay with the keeper on the certificate all year, if you're away, for example work, prison, college, hospital, for more than 3 weeks, that breaches the exemption conditions, even if its your partner or adult child who is caring for the dog.

Lots of people with SS involvement with their families have been told (in some cases not correctly) that keeping an illegal breed will be a problem and they have to rehome.

And then there are the idiots who didn't think it'd happen, thought they could just ignore it, those who can't afford the neutering, the bespoke fitted muzzles these dogs often need, the exemption cost, the insurance cost etc etc.

As for the idea people are collecting XL bullies in order to cash in on having them put down - the compensation scheme is £200. The cost for putting down a big dog is in most places, higher than that, and thats IF you can find a vet to do it - more and more vets are refusing to do it now as it is taking its toll on their staffs mental health. You'd have to be a total idiot to think that was a get rich quick scheme!

As for the idea people are collecting XL bullies in order to cash in on having them put down - the compensation scheme is £200. The cost for putting down a big dog is in most places, higher than that, and thats IF you can find a vet to do it - more and more vets are refusing to do it now as it is taking its toll on their staffs mental health. You'd have to be a total idiot to think that was a get rich quick scheme!

Assuming they are being properly put down by a vet. There was a news story a few years ago about someone who was making a living putting down ex-racing greyhounds - by shooting them in the head in their backyard.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-man-whos-shot-10000-greyhounds-634089#:~:text=BUILDER%20David%20Smith%20leads%20two,dogs%20with%20a%20bolt%20gun.

Charging £15 per dog to kill them.

My view, very unpopular I assume, is that ALL dogs owned as pets MUST be neutered or spayed. The only people who can breed dogs have to be registered as breeders. They should pay a yearly fee to maintain their registration and should be inspected regularly.

I hate seeing litters of puppies and kittens on social media.

You can only get the payment if a vet countersigns the form attesting that they have euthanised the dog (or the same by a charity for the lower payment of £100)

The typical cost of euthanising a dog in UK is £150, but it costs more for larger, heavier breeds. I've just had a google and the ordinary pricing can go up to £275 or more. So I doubt owners will be making money on this, and some may still be out of pocket.

My boy came from a friend who bred one of her dogs as she wanted another and didn't want to pay the silly prices breeders were charging. Dad was a stud dog, and mum is a first generation cross breed with all the paperwork for her parents going back generations, and all the health checks. My friend had people lined up for the puppies, actually more people than there were puppies in the end.

I did look at the local rescues but they were all full of dogs with serious issues, like could only be in a home with no visitors, didn't like other dogs, people etc. I don't trust rescues anyway as they tend to not tell the full truth about the dogs behaviour or background. One of our doggy friends is going to be hit by the xl bully ban due to his size and shape, but he's not an xl. He came from the rspca as a puppy and while they said they had both parents they only showed them one, likely to not put them off due to how big he's grown into.

This thread has made interesting reading, I largely agree with all of the opinions shared.

People are quite quick to say 'they will end up in rescue' but honestly I think it's worse than that, I think they will just be put down. Reputable rescues are operating at their absolute maximum capacity- if you called up e.g. Dogs Trust and said you have a dog you can no longer look after and that dog is an undesirable breed/has health issues and they KNOW it won't be rehomed easily- I am fairly sure they will advise you to euthanise the dog. The average person doesn't really know about this- I have a difficult dog, and quite often people say 'Have you thought about rehoming?'. As if there are lots of people queueing up for a dog with behavioral issues!

I strongly suspect that my dog is difficult as a result of poor breeding, she is a Cockapoo. We did most things 'right' i.e. we saw mum, the pups were incredibly well looked after and well socialized. But Covid encouraged people to breed their family pet, who may or may not be a good example of the 'breed'. I accept my mistake, and I will live with it- giving her the very best life possible for as long as she lives.

See this is what I don’t understand though, if you’ve been turned down by a rescue, sometimes for good reason sometimes not, but can’t afford to pay the proper money for a dog why do you NEED to get one right at that point in time from a cheap, scummy backyard breeder? It just screams irresponsible owner who hadn’t thought about the long term care of a dog outside the cute puppy phase. If it was only dogs costing £1,000s and they had to be trained and have licenses etc it would sort the problem out of far too many dogs and too many owned by knob heads

Your comment is very interesting I have lots of friends who have cockapoos and they are everywhere around here I recon 75% out of all the dogs I see are cockapoos AND so many have serious behaviour problems!! I wasn’t sure if it was the breed, the breeding, the owners or something else but I have been told by some owners that they have done everything right the dogs are prone to resource guarding and they are timid and bark a lot and reactive
im not saying that they are All this way but I have seen with my own eyes a heck of a lot of that breed with problem behaviour
a lot of the owners are very defensive about it and brush it off as funny cute and how much the dog loves them so protects them from anyone else or any other dogs!

This is the problem with created breeds like Cockapoos ..physical and behavioural issues that come with cross breeding that then become part of the genetic make up of the new breed. FFS animals are not toys. I don’t agree with the poster who said we should let having pets die out, but I do think there is something so distasteful about irresponsible ownership. I’d love a dog but I just know my circumstances wouldn’t be fair to one.

Cockapoos aren't a recognised breed. I've got one and adore him, but he's certainly not a pure/pedigree dog. He's very easy though, gets on with other dogs, people, is very chilled and doesn't resource guard. He is our first dog and we put a huge amount of time and effort into training and socialising him.

As I said upthread, we visited several.times, saw him with his mum and siblings, bought from a licensed breeder and I rang the breeders vet before we paid the deposit to check if there were any concerns.

We also had him neutered as soon as he was old enough.

I agree with the pp who said all dogs should be neutered/spayed as soon as possible, with only licensed breeders being allowed to have dogs who can breed.

I largely agree with you. I own two pedigree dogs I spend £45 a month on their food neither own coats posh dog beds or eye wateringly expensive leads.I also have ethical qualms about spending £££ on veterinary treatment I know someone who spent £20k (using her credit card) on her two dogs both were elderly and unhealthy dogs before starting treatment and died within a year of the “treatment” ending. Late 60’s she was then unable to retire because she needed to pay off the credit card/vet bill. Vets increasingly IMO don’t know when to stop and why should they? They only make money if they “treat” an animal. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
Should add that contrary to popular opinion it often costs no more to buy a properly bred dog from a reputable breed dedicated breeder than a poorly bred dog from a puppy farm. Both mine have come from exceedingly reputable breeders parents have had a myriad health tests and cost significantly less than my neighbours puppy doodle bought from puppy farm. In fact one of mine a rare breed the breed club actually states how much you should pay for a puppy again well under the prices charged by puppy farms. The only issue is that as a purchaser you have to pass extensive screening before being allowed to purchase a puppy.

Me buying a nice coat for my dog is not depriving a child somewhere of food. The pet industry, and people living in mouldy homes are totally unrelated issues.
I live under the poverty line, and my dog keeps me sane. She is not just a pet, she is my companion and family member.

Dog breeding is regulated if breeding then you should be licensed by the local council

I don't agree with this either. I think it's pretty arguable that for all our ethics and philosophy and technology, we haven't developed a world that caters well to our animal needs as humans.

If you were designing a zoo environment for a human, you wouldn't design most of the human environment. The fact that we need a welfare state is a failure of human evolution, not a success.

And it's part of human biology that we pair-bond to insane amounts with anything with a face. Henry Hoovers, cars etc Cats domesticated themselves. Crows develop bonds with people voluntarily. It's very weird to imagine a world where we're less connected to animals.