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Aibu to be sick of this!! Dog breeders on sm

99 replies

MondayBags678 · 30/12/2023 07:13

Argh I am so sick of opening up fb or instagram etc and friends or people that I know having and advertising dog litters! Most the time cross breeds or their x breed crosses!! Advertising puppy’s for new homes
one has “7 needs new homes aged 8 week’s”
like why have you done it if you don’t have people lined up!! Aibu to think it’s irresponsible and selfish , as I thought dog shelters were over run! I have no issue if people breed responsible eg if there’s demand and they are doing all the research and relevant health testing etc etc but it feels like they are not thinking about anything other than a potential financial gain?

Past two days I’ve seen sausages dog litters looking for homes and cocker spaniels and poodle crosses and doodles etc etc lost count …. small google search tells me there’s over 90 odd litters of one particular breed in my area alone!!!!

even more annoying is them asking questions such as why is my bitch doing this? Why is the puppies doing that? Do I need to worm them etc etc

argh come on why oh why are you asking for advice on Facebook and not your vet or doing the bloody research before hand!!!

is it me or are other people noticing this? It’s making me sad as I am actually a dog and animal lover and I wasn’t against breeding as such until maybe the last year when I’ve been more aware of this

plus another woman I know bred her dog and had issues and all the litter died!! I won’t forget it! Doubt she will too.

job for today is to remove all these posts off my news feed as I don’t want to see it anymore.

OP posts:
Tombolobeaches · 30/12/2023 09:06

Regulating dog breeding, selling, importing (including sperm) would, in my view, be more effective than banning certain breeds. Add to that dog ownership compulsory training and licensing, and real personal responsibility deterrents, as car drivers with cars rather than a dog.

Sorry off topic a bit but this mass breeding currently helps no one other than the breeders finances.

ANightmareBeforeChristmas · 30/12/2023 09:06

letstrythatagain · 30/12/2023 08:40

Eh?

@xis So all the animals in shelters, waiting for homes, should be euthanised?

MyNameIsBatty · 30/12/2023 09:08

I've noticed this via a friend who has bought a puppy, the breeder is trying to flog the rest of the brood constantly on Facebook by tagging in those that have already bought them. 🙄

Tombolobeaches · 30/12/2023 09:11

Xis · 30/12/2023 08:48

Didn’t see that! I don’t even really understand it? Do they mean dogs should be living in the wild and running around in packs?

No. I mean keeping pets for amusement and companionship needs to end. That’s not love, that’s using animals to meet our wants and needs. A case can be made for disability assistance dogs and dogs for law enforcement but otherwise dog breeding needs to end and pet ownership dies out when the dogs currently alive die.

We should focus on enabling wild animals to thrive in their natural environments, affected by humans as little as possible, not creating attenuated toy animals to amuse us or meet our emotional needs.

A bit late for existing companion animals like dogs don’t you think?

Although I totally get what you mean if we consider marine parks etc, how anyone can visit such places as entertainment is beyond me.

HelenHerriott · 30/12/2023 09:12

cocktailanddreams · 30/12/2023 07:24

Yes social media full of it. Most trying to give away their xl bullies....very loving, caring, cuddling etc etc....with a heart break emoji

Or people from England asking for homes in Scotland for their XL Bullies so they can “run free” and not have to be muzzled. The amount of footage I’ve seen with folk crossing the border with these dogs into Scotland is bizarre often followed by comments like “welcome home baby”.

Divebar2021 · 30/12/2023 09:15

I haven’t seen any SM posts about litters and would guess it’s not a universal experience. I did look at some sites at the puppies recently and did think there were a huge amount of advertisements with very vague information which made me very suspicious. I was also sad ( not surprised ) at the numbers of young adult dogs being rehomed because “ I just don’t have time with the kids - and these were big breeds / working breeds like huskies and border collies.

NB. We are in the early stages of looking at dogs because my DH has just retired so we now have someone at home. I would ideally prefer a rescue dog but we have a cat and that limits the options a lot.

Seadreamers · 30/12/2023 09:18

I’m seeing this a lot on local Facebook pages but with kittens rather than dogs. I’m inclined to think it’s people looking to make a quick few £££ due to cost of living, as well as being irresponsible and dim.

Rescues are full of cats and dogs and their litters and still these idiots keep on with their backyard breeding. Makes me so cross.

cocktailanddreams · 30/12/2023 09:18

It just moves to problem to another postcode . Wait until the fb posts start with 'fly high angel, party hard up there without your muzzle'

Mushroomsouptonight · 30/12/2023 09:18

cocktailanddreams · 30/12/2023 07:24

Yes social media full of it. Most trying to give away their xl bullies....very loving, caring, cuddling etc etc....with a heart break emoji

The thing is, if they loved their xl bullies they can keep them if they follow new rules, ... neutered, muzzled etc and responsible lovely people would do that...

Animals are money spinning for some

Namechangeforthis11111 · 30/12/2023 09:19

It is appalling. Shelters are full. Some really irresponsible mixes - Bull Lurchers, etc. poor things are treated as commodities and go to unsuitable homes.

Xis · 30/12/2023 09:19

CleverLilViper
If you want to talk about the environment, I hope to fuck you don't have children...

I’m not advocating for the extinction of a naturally-occurring species so some human reproduction is required.

Namechangeforthis11111 · 30/12/2023 09:21

Mushroomsouptonight · 30/12/2023 09:18

The thing is, if they loved their xl bullies they can keep them if they follow new rules, ... neutered, muzzled etc and responsible lovely people would do that...

Animals are money spinning for some

Unfortunately yes. There are allegedly XL Bullies being bought cheaply for the new owners to get the payout for putting them down.

HelenHerriott · 30/12/2023 09:21

Mushroomsouptonight · 30/12/2023 09:18

The thing is, if they loved their xl bullies they can keep them if they follow new rules, ... neutered, muzzled etc and responsible lovely people would do that...

Animals are money spinning for some

This is the part I don’t understand when people are trying to find homes north of the border for them, just get them registered, castrated and muzzle trained, job done.

Mushroomsouptonight · 30/12/2023 09:21

Divebar2021 · 30/12/2023 09:15

I haven’t seen any SM posts about litters and would guess it’s not a universal experience. I did look at some sites at the puppies recently and did think there were a huge amount of advertisements with very vague information which made me very suspicious. I was also sad ( not surprised ) at the numbers of young adult dogs being rehomed because “ I just don’t have time with the kids - and these were big breeds / working breeds like huskies and border collies.

NB. We are in the early stages of looking at dogs because my DH has just retired so we now have someone at home. I would ideally prefer a rescue dog but we have a cat and that limits the options a lot.

I know the irresponsible ones that bought dogs during lockdown and now around age 3 idh and no longer want them. Quite disgusting and the excuses... don't have time, too big, cannot walk enough... I mean they are selfish, lazy people who are unable to look ahead past the cute puppy.

ANightmareBeforeChristmas · 30/12/2023 09:24

HelenHerriott · 30/12/2023 09:12

Or people from England asking for homes in Scotland for their XL Bullies so they can “run free” and not have to be muzzled. The amount of footage I’ve seen with folk crossing the border with these dogs into Scotland is bizarre often followed by comments like “welcome home baby”.

For goodness sake! My dog (now deceased) wasn't a large or aggressive dog but if a rule had come in to say his breed had to be muzzled, I'd have done it like a shot rather than give him away - I'd have complied with anything to keep him. He is still missed three years after he died and barely a day goes by when my husband and I don't talk about him,

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 30/12/2023 09:24

Dog ownership and breeding need to be more tightly regulated as it’s becoming ridiculous. It needs to be made as inconvenient and expensive as possible to own or breed dogs, this would hopefully sort the serious owners from the idiots and the number of dogs would start to fall eventually, it’s as though you can’t move for them in the streets/shops/parks etc and the majority I come across are knobhead owners, seems considerate ones are becoming less and less

Xis · 30/12/2023 09:24

ANightmareBeforeChristmas
So all the animals in shelters, waiting for homes, should be euthanised?

I did say that pet ownership should die out when animals currently alive die.

VegeBurgers · 30/12/2023 09:28

nottaotter · 30/12/2023 07:41

Thats crazy, I read that French bulldogs were becoming less popular due to their health problems and was thinking that there might be some hope.

Breeding a dog in a small place with no garden sounds too stressful and horrible.

On a side note I don't understand why XL bully owners don't just comply with new law and keep the dog? Why the big rush to get the dog to Scotland? Obvs I know Scotland is excluded but just start using a muzzle and neuter/spay etc

Will Scotland ban them once they have a huge amount of attacks and deaths do you think?

VegeBurgers · 30/12/2023 09:31

Namechangeforthis11111 · 30/12/2023 09:21

Unfortunately yes. There are allegedly XL Bullies being bought cheaply for the new owners to get the payout for putting them down.

So are the fees for them being pts being waived by vets? When my dear old poorly pup was pts sleep it cost £200 and that was a few years ago.
There wouldn’t be any profit?!

nottaotter · 30/12/2023 09:32

@VegeBurgers thats a really good question. It will be interesting to see, especially as if some dogs into a rescue so have the added stress of that.

thecatsthecats · 30/12/2023 09:32

Xis · 30/12/2023 08:48

Didn’t see that! I don’t even really understand it? Do they mean dogs should be living in the wild and running around in packs?

No. I mean keeping pets for amusement and companionship needs to end. That’s not love, that’s using animals to meet our wants and needs. A case can be made for disability assistance dogs and dogs for law enforcement but otherwise dog breeding needs to end and pet ownership dies out when the dogs currently alive die.

We should focus on enabling wild animals to thrive in their natural environments, affected by humans as little as possible, not creating attenuated toy animals to amuse us or meet our emotional needs.

This rationale only works if you don't view humans as animals.

Human civilization is no more than it's own almighty termite mound. There's no such thing as unnatural as is done by a species acting as it naturally does. And there are vast, vast numbers of codependent relationships between different species.

There are lots of ethical questions about pet ownership, but since ethics are just something our overwrought little monkey brains came up with once we didn't have to spend all our time finding food, it isn't much of a compelling case for action.

RoastyToastyBaps · 30/12/2023 09:35

Yanbu - it should be illegal to advertise selling animals on social media. Make it harder for lazy people to buy them, and harder for those trying to make easy money to sell them.

Flossflower · 30/12/2023 09:36

Xis · 30/12/2023 07:28

Pet ownership is anachronistic and unethical, full stop. If you (general ‘you’) are the sort of person who just does what they want because they want to, and doesn’t care about the wider consequences, then I can understand why you have pet dogs. But if you claim to care for animals or the environment then you don’t keep pets or you are exposed as a liar, or at the very least, a person who just follows others without thinking things through.

I couldn’t agree more. Up to 10% of the world’s crops are directly or indirectly involved in the production of food for pets yet we can’t feed all the people in the world! Parks where children play are also used as toilets for dogs. Cats kill an horrific amount of wildlife.

nottaotter · 30/12/2023 09:38

@ANightmareBeforeChristmas Exactly, if someone said I had to muzzle, license and spay to keep my dog thats a total non issue .

If someone said I to hop backwards wearing odd shoes and wearing a Santa outfit I would do it if it meant keeping my dog, even if I had owned them for a week let alone a few years.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 30/12/2023 09:38

@Flossflower my view on cats is that they should only be owned if they are kept on your own property via cat proofing such as a catio