Why can't you just dispose of evidence in the bin

[someladdersandsnakes]

I'm reading a thriller and the character done a murder and has destroyed her clothes by burning them. I feel like that would draw attention though. It wasn't the sort of crime that would be discovered immediately and the character wouldn't be suspected immediately either so I would have thought just putting them in the bin would be a good option really but nobody ever does that. Why not? Like surely once the rubbish van has come, and everything from the bins has been combined and smooshed down, there's no way any evidence would be recovered? Who's gonna dig through all that?

Yes plus the main key points to watch are: no body and no murder weapon. Without those two things it’s very hard to convict as it’s all circumstantial. How can you convict for murder if you don’t know a person is definitely dead or how they died.

I recently read a rather lurid book called "The History of Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice." How we taste depends partly on what our diets consist of. The Māori didn't really like eating us whiteys, preferring the taste of fellow Polynesians, as we were far too salty.

It’s Death in Holy Orders.

What a pointless comment

So you'd just have to be quick doing the job at whatever location, wouldn't you - something like half an hour or an hour maximum to dispose of the body then get back home (not at peak time) to reply to the text or call you may have got. It's not like most people always answer their phone or reply to texts straightaway. In any case, it's the location that eventually does them in because thick criminals usually take their phones with them, or they're working with others and use their phones to communicate what they've been up to.

The Australian woman who was accused of poisoning and murdering her guests with mushrooms took her dehydrator to the tip herself and was still caught. She actually drove it to one that was further away than her “local”.

@1975wasthebest I am not condoning it.
It was more that these particular 'thickies' always did answer their texts immediately. And phone calls. And their phones had not moved an inch. And nothing was answered. Both of them.

Morse would be very different nowadays with CCTV, mobile phone tracking, proper DNA analysis

I think people forget wiped data and phone stuff can be retrieved after it's been deleted!

Surely the best solution would be to wash them first, then put them in a charity bag marked 'rags' or in a clothing bank (assuming no video cameras near by).

Yes - I am sure if Boris Johnson was a murder suspect, they would have been able to find his WhatsApp messages,...

I’m suspicious of several posters in this thread, especially several thank yous for various ideas 😉😂🙈😲

WhatsApp I don’t think can be ? I’m not sure whether the encryption can’t be unravelled

Harry Brown got away with doing away with the baddies on his council estate, he put his bloodstained clothes in the bin.... no-one (except one detective) believed he could have done it because of his poor health and the more plausible explanation that the baddies had done it to each other.....

(it's a film btw)

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Yes, even with Whatsapp, I've read the poilice or whoever can get into your online cloud which automatically backs up regularly and access those deleted messages and pics (if you don't turn off this feature).

I watched something recently where a woman, who was protecting her daughter, disposed of the murder weapon, a knife by taking to the care home where her father lived and putting it in the cutlery drawer of the kitchen there. She had been feeding her father a meal and made sure that a care assistant saw her washing up and drying the dishes. She also burned bloodied clothes in a communal barbecue near a river.

Wouldn’t the coffin bearers notice the coffin was unusually heavy?

Another error is trying to clean up the scene with bleach.
They can still find the blood stains under a special light. An enzyme cleaner is what's needed.

But it can some time for people, particularly police, to become convinced there's something to investigate.

for instance....

Robert Pickton - Wikipedia

It's like an Episode of Birds of a Feather when it was Darryl's funeral and they dropped the coffin, only for it to spring open to reveal another pair of legs.

(For those who don't know, Darryl was a crook and the funeral was arranged by his 'friends')

It would be very hard to effectively dispose of victim and evidence plus clean up the crime scene without leaving a trail. At least in Britain.

Too much data is available: CCTV, ANPR cameras, ring doorbells. Our purchases can be tracked unless you pay in cash which would stand out in itself. Mobile phone data to track victim and suspect.

Investigation teams have access to specialists and huge databases on almost every conceivable subject.

Once the finger of suspicion points in your direction you are scuppered.

Once the finger of suspicion points in your direction you are scuppered.

only if found guilty, if evidence is scant that’ll make it more difficult to get guilty verdict

Careful about the car you use. I was listening to a podcast where the accused had left his phone at home so not to be tracked and drove his wife’s fancy Range Rover. He didn’t realise that it had a tracking feature that sent the data to Range Rover. The police could access the data and see that the car had gone to the murder site on a certain day and time. What doors had been opened and if anyone had got out of the car!