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Why can't you just dispose of evidence in the bin

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someladdersandsnakes · 26/12/2023 13:30

I'm reading a thriller and the character done a murder and has destroyed her clothes by burning them. I feel like that would draw attention though. It wasn't the sort of crime that would be discovered immediately and the character wouldn't be suspected immediately either so I would have thought just putting them in the bin would be a good option really but nobody ever does that. Why not? Like surely once the rubbish van has come, and everything from the bins has been combined and smooshed down, there's no way any evidence would be recovered? Who's gonna dig through all that?

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Iam4eels · 27/12/2023 09:43

MikeRafone · 26/12/2023 21:10

I was always lead to believe that human flesh tasted like pork - but apparently its not like pork or chicken but similar to beef

I think what we learned from the horse meat scandal is that most things taste like beef.

RoseAndRose · 27/12/2023 09:54

stomachamaleon · 26/12/2023 20:59

The phone thing..
The police will be just as suspicious if you are a regular phone user and you are a person who walks/ travels a lot.
I watched a police programme where a dealer was murdered by two customers. They had left their phones at home but the police could prove this was unusual behaviour for them and they never left texts unanswered.
So the phones were still their undoing.

Yes, so you need to think about your normal pattern of use and not depart from it.

So if you leave your phone it has to look as if you were there too. perhaps leave it streaming something. That might explain why you don't answer everything immediately.

And set this pattern of not answering whilst streaming (or generally not responding straight away) some time beforehand, as part of your murderous planning

Edited to add: 1 January is a good time to begin a digital detox, or start other new habits

MadWifeInTheAttic · 27/12/2023 09:55

stomachamaleon · 26/12/2023 22:48

I think people forget wiped data and phone stuff can be retrieved after it's been deleted!

Just chuck your phone in the North Sea.

GnomeDePlume · 27/12/2023 09:58

@MadeOfAllWork and then he set fire to the car which basically sent up a smoke beacon to the police: investigate me!

Very, very few people kill for fun. So there is likely to be a reason. That reason will link killer to victim. Once there are links the investigation goes deeper.

Ideally you want no death at all. This worked for the Wycherley murders for about 14 years. The couple didnt disappear because they didnt really have a presence, no friends or close family to miss them. Their killers would have got away with it for longer if they hadnt wasted all the money on film memorabilia.

CatSat · 27/12/2023 12:08

Surely the best murder is to exploit a 'weakness' in your victim.
Diabetic - go for a nice long, remote walk in the hills, no phone signal or let your phone run out of battery, 'forget' to take food, when a problem starts to occur, abandon them whilst you go to get help (getting lost in the bad weather for several hours), finally reach civilization and send for help, only to discover you were too late .....
Anaphylaxis - similar to the above but switch your nutty / nut free sandwiches with them, whilst also discovering that the EpiPen must have fallen out of your bag .....
No body to dispose of, no worries about trying to hide DNA evidence, and a relatively believable death.

MILTOBE · 27/12/2023 12:09

@CatSat You're making me very nervous!

beastlyslumber · 27/12/2023 12:29

CatSat · 27/12/2023 12:08

Surely the best murder is to exploit a 'weakness' in your victim.
Diabetic - go for a nice long, remote walk in the hills, no phone signal or let your phone run out of battery, 'forget' to take food, when a problem starts to occur, abandon them whilst you go to get help (getting lost in the bad weather for several hours), finally reach civilization and send for help, only to discover you were too late .....
Anaphylaxis - similar to the above but switch your nutty / nut free sandwiches with them, whilst also discovering that the EpiPen must have fallen out of your bag .....
No body to dispose of, no worries about trying to hide DNA evidence, and a relatively believable death.

Yes, brilliant. That's perfect, especially for killing a husband, I would think. You want the life insurance money, but you don't want to risk a murder investigation. Maybe you need to play the long game - feed him a lot of hidden sugar to cultivate that diabetes. Draw him into an unknown dependency on some kind of drug. Anything that will eventually give you a weakness which you can hook into and use to destroy him, with no suspicion falling onto yourself.

CatSat · 27/12/2023 12:38

The options are endless - poor swimmer? Go for a walk along that deep, fast flowing river bank, make sure you take extra care whilst standing near the bank looking at that interesting fish .....

beastlyslumber · 27/12/2023 12:46

Ideally, set it up so that other people are around. It's a family day out when he 'falls' into the river and drowns. You're a big group of friends halfway up the hill when he has an anaphylactic attack and no one can find his adrenaline - maybe you even made a big deal out of 'forgetting' your backpack in the car earlier on (but too late to go back for it). That way, any percieved culpability is shared between all.

Cerealkiller4U · 27/12/2023 13:44

MikeRafone · 26/12/2023 20:20

pigs are the answer, they eat evidence

not using a car is also smarter

using cut throughs to move about as you then don't appear on cctv as much - cctv is on main access routes not cut throughs and rural lanes - knowing where pigs are housed and how to get there without using a car

not using your computers to search for anything to do with what you are doing - internet history is searched, including deleted history

This is probably the best answer. However that’s been done. The pig serial killer man. Wasn’t he German? He got away with it for years due to the fact that pigs eat everything!

Cerealkiller4U · 27/12/2023 13:46

MikeRafone · 26/12/2023 21:10

I was always lead to believe that human flesh tasted like pork - but apparently its not like pork or chicken but similar to beef

The real life people the film ‘alive’ was based on said it tasted like pork

Cerealkiller4U · 27/12/2023 13:47

MadWifeInTheAttic · 26/12/2023 22:19

I recently read a rather lurid book called "The History of Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice." How we taste depends partly on what our diets consist of. The Māori didn't really like eating us whiteys, preferring the taste of fellow Polynesians, as we were far too salty.

Oh yes! Off to Amazon to purchase.

Cerealkiller4U · 27/12/2023 13:50

CatSat · 27/12/2023 12:08

Surely the best murder is to exploit a 'weakness' in your victim.
Diabetic - go for a nice long, remote walk in the hills, no phone signal or let your phone run out of battery, 'forget' to take food, when a problem starts to occur, abandon them whilst you go to get help (getting lost in the bad weather for several hours), finally reach civilization and send for help, only to discover you were too late .....
Anaphylaxis - similar to the above but switch your nutty / nut free sandwiches with them, whilst also discovering that the EpiPen must have fallen out of your bag .....
No body to dispose of, no worries about trying to hide DNA evidence, and a relatively believable death.

Ahh. But you could get done for manslaughter….

ErrolTheRednosedDragon · 27/12/2023 14:09

Just chuck your phone in the North Sea.

Do the network providers keep copies on servers?

SmudgeButt · 27/12/2023 15:36

Cerealkiller4U · 27/12/2023 13:44

This is probably the best answer. However that’s been done. The pig serial killer man. Wasn’t he German? He got away with it for years due to the fact that pigs eat everything!

You might be thinking of Robert Picton to whose wiki entry I linked to on a previous post. Confessed to dozens of deaths with the remains disposed of at the family pig farm near Vancouver.

Sidebeforeself · 27/12/2023 16:35

I am really worried that the police are going to come knocking on my door now ,after seizing OPs computer . I’ll be going “no comment” and suggest everyone else on this thread does too.

PUGMEISTER21 · 27/12/2023 18:02

Agree, but i would drive a few miles and put it in a public bin.

TeaGinandFags · 27/12/2023 18:33

RoseAndRose · 26/12/2023 13:46

I can never work out why, when there is a bit of time to achieve the task, they're not got rid of in more normal ways.

So perhaps one guilty item in a bag to a charity bin. Another washed and dropped off at a charity shop (again with other stuff, so obviously you need to plan your murder for when you need to declutter). Something in one of those kerbside collection bag. Something else could be cut up, and the tatters and thrown away in several different ways eg put in with some food packaging waste and then divided into being dumped in a random public litter bin, put in your own landfill bin, put in (you dreadful person you) other people's bins ideally from out of your own area that have different collections (and perhaps go to a different tip or part of tip)

Or perhaps just left behind on public transport, or after a public event

I think that I need to be very, very nice to you.

AnnieKenney · 27/12/2023 19:03

@ Laceydoiley
Yes plus the main key points to watch are: no body and no murder weapon. Without those two things it’s very hard to convict as it’s all circumstantial. How can you convict for murder if you don’t know a person is definitely dead or how they died.

Without going into too much detail, I have recently been involved in two homicides. In both, the cases headed for trial despite the absence of a body.

In the first, the body was eventually found (hidden in a graveyard - good choice) but was too decomposed after a year to determine the cause of death. The killer was convicted - mostly on phone evidence as they didn't live together but he took her phone after he killed her and sent fake texts to fool people into thinking she was still alive which delayed the murder investigation for over a month. However, his phone was next to her phone from the point after which she was last seen, at addresses she had never been to but he had.

In the second, the two killers put the body in a bath of bleach for three days. They dumped the body somewhere after that, but to date it hasn't been found. They were both recently convicted for murder. Evidence against them largely consisted of the last time he and they were seen on CCTV followed by an undercover officer gaining the trust of one of them who confessed what she had done.

In both cases, the absence of activity post last sighting was used as evidence of death (eg no phone activity, no use of travel or bank cards, no logging onto online accounts, etc plus no visual sightings.

In other words, successfully disposing of blood, DNA, the murder weapon, or even the body still won't necessarily make you safe.

ThreeRingCircus · 27/12/2023 19:07

This is exactly the sort of quality content I read Mumsnet for. I'm not being sarcastic! 🤣

MadWifeInTheAttic · 27/12/2023 19:17

I disagree with the approach of spreading the evidence all around in different places. You are maximising your chances of being caught behaving oddly on CCTV or by a curtain twitcher.

Where I live, putting something in someone else's bin would have the neighbourhood SWAT team tackling you to the ground before you could say Jack Robinson.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 27/12/2023 19:23

Reading this thread makes me think that the best thing evidence wise would be to murder someone while they're naked, Bates Motel style.

GrandParade · 27/12/2023 19:25

TheWayTheLightFalls · 27/12/2023 19:23

Reading this thread makes me think that the best thing evidence wise would be to murder someone while they're naked, Bates Motel style.

And/or be naked yourself — definitely solves a multitude of problems!

TheWayTheLightFalls · 27/12/2023 19:40

So sex crimes on a pig farm, basically? Doable.

tescocreditcard · 27/12/2023 19:43

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 18:16

A forensic teacher I follow says that 40% of dead bodies are found by dog walkers

I reckon dog walkers are secret serial killers and the dogs are their alibi.