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Why can't you just dispose of evidence in the bin

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someladdersandsnakes · 26/12/2023 13:30

I'm reading a thriller and the character done a murder and has destroyed her clothes by burning them. I feel like that would draw attention though. It wasn't the sort of crime that would be discovered immediately and the character wouldn't be suspected immediately either so I would have thought just putting them in the bin would be a good option really but nobody ever does that. Why not? Like surely once the rubbish van has come, and everything from the bins has been combined and smooshed down, there's no way any evidence would be recovered? Who's gonna dig through all that?

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ClareBlue · 27/12/2023 19:46

oakleaffy · 26/12/2023 13:59

@someladdersandsnakes look up Elaine o Hara. Ireland.

That could have been the perfect crime

Thank Goodness her killer was caught by a few chance coincidences.

Her killer Is thankfully Jailed.

I would add to that also because of a Guard who was dedicated to his job. He went back and found the key ring in the lake only because the water level was exceptionally low and then traced the Dunnes loyalty card on the ring. If you have a Dectective like that investigating your murder putting clothes in a bin isn't going to keep you out of prison.

ErrolTheRednosedDragon · 27/12/2023 20:06

TheWayTheLightFalls · 27/12/2023 19:40

So sex crimes on a pig farm, basically? Doable.

Or maybe a nudist beach near lobster fishing grounds?

cakeorwine · 27/12/2023 20:18

MadeOfAllWork · 27/12/2023 09:29

Careful about the car you use. I was listening to a podcast where the accused had left his phone at home so not to be tracked and drove his wife’s fancy Range Rover. He didn’t realise that it had a tracking feature that sent the data to Range Rover. The police could access the data and see that the car had gone to the murder site on a certain day and time. What doors had been opened and if anyone had got out of the car!

I have heard that story before.

Amazing!!

Morrisons00 · 27/12/2023 20:18

there was a tv mini series called killer net by linda la plante that basically covered the topics on this thread.

Bigmommabear87 · 27/12/2023 20:21

Why not go all out and and roll em up dip em in cenent pull out to dry once dry in little balls dispose of by making your own rockery around a pond or summin or cut em up into small rags and use to stuff a stuffed toy it depends how much time you really have but i wouldnt burn them as you can guarantee when they do that in movies fragments are found and same with the bins unless you take them in a bag and dispose of them in an industrial bin away from you and not within walking distance as bins get empytied around same time

Mygosh · 27/12/2023 20:46

This reminds me of an old neighbour of mine. I didn't know them, but the husband murdered the wife and put her into a suitcase, in pieces. The home was multiple occupation and the other residents complained about the smell.

The police were doing door to door enquiries and looking through the refuge bins, until I told them they had been emptied the day before.

They did eventually find some stuff in the local river, but not everything. The poor ladies head was never found, and this was vital evidence of how she died. I still think about her when I pass that house.

The reality is, many items of evidence get disposed of in bins, rivers etc. There are so many unsolved murders/crimes. You only really hear about local ones or the ones which capture the nation.

Citrusandginger · 27/12/2023 20:53

Cerealkiller4U · 26/12/2023 17:39

I work somewhere where we often work with forensics, you’ve got DNA that connects you to crimes. They search the bins as one of the most looked at items

i remember someone telling me too that if you bury a body and they’ve got to cover huge amounts of land then they use a helicopter. The reasoning for this is that as a body starts to decompose it causes a chemical reaction on the soil and you can clearly see and it makes a certain type of weed grow.

we’re often involving forensics and those people are if nothing else. The most meticulous people I’ve ever met!!!

Dammit. There goes my compost heap plan.

MereDintofPandiculation · 27/12/2023 22:02

Zoologist friend of mine was asked about some egg cases that were attached to a knife that had been found in the river, specifically would the egg cases have been attached before or after the date of the murder they were interested in.

MereDintofPandiculation · 27/12/2023 22:04

Reading some of the "wizard wheezes" on this thread for concealing the evidence, I'm confident that, should I be murdered, my murderer will be quickly found.

Citrusandginger · 27/12/2023 22:13

I had my last child at home and we managed to accidentally dispose of DD's brand new outfit along with the sheets. (Planned home birth so I had kept old linen to one side so it could be thrown afterwards).

So obviously it would involve a lot of planning, but could one have a baby and get rid of a lot of evidence that way? I mean it's a bit drastic, and obviously there's still the body to shift, but you'd at least be able to explain the blood & gore.

And as a true mumsnetter you wouldn't be answering your phone or door during your babymoon, so you'd have a window to dispose of the body.

BigBoysDontCry · 27/12/2023 22:14

Our collections are 4 weekly so another disposal method would be required

Topofthemountain · 27/12/2023 22:30

BigBoysDontCry · 27/12/2023 22:14

Our collections are 4 weekly so another disposal method would be required

Blooming heck. We are still weekly (boasts), seems I have more chance of getting away with it.

BigBoysDontCry · 27/12/2023 22:40

Topofthemountain · 27/12/2023 22:30

Blooming heck. We are still weekly (boasts), seems I have more chance of getting away with it.

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Even better, because of Christmas we are 5 weeks for general waste and 8 weeks for recycling AND we have to pay about £50 on top to get garden waste collected. All just normal standard wheelie bins. Living the dream.

I'm sure it's to save money rather than particularly discourage murder and the disposal of evidence but it's an ill wind that doesn't blow some good...

BigBoysDontCry · 27/12/2023 22:45

....and given all the rules, I'm pretty sure that blood/bodily fluids need to go with the garden/food waste and clothes/knives would be recycling... 😁

GnomeDePlume · 27/12/2023 23:07

Bigmommabear87 · 27/12/2023 20:21

Why not go all out and and roll em up dip em in cenent pull out to dry once dry in little balls dispose of by making your own rockery around a pond or summin or cut em up into small rags and use to stuff a stuffed toy it depends how much time you really have but i wouldnt burn them as you can guarantee when they do that in movies fragments are found and same with the bins unless you take them in a bag and dispose of them in an industrial bin away from you and not within walking distance as bins get empytied around same time

It took me a while reading that to realise you were talking about clothing rather than the body!

It's the break in routine which looks suspicious. A man in Scotland was jailed for murdering his affair partner. No body recovered. What looked suspicious was a totally unnecessary work trip (which is when the police believe he disposed of the body). The evidence was all circumstantial and possibly a bit shaky in parts but was presented with confidence.

ErrolTheRednosedDragon · 27/12/2023 23:17

MereDintofPandiculation · 27/12/2023 22:04

Reading some of the "wizard wheezes" on this thread for concealing the evidence, I'm confident that, should I be murdered, my murderer will be quickly found.

I wonder if you'd get more convincing answers on the gardening thread, with its proliferation of fearsome bladed tools, spades etc? Grin

KimberleyClark · 27/12/2023 23:22

beastlyslumber · 27/12/2023 12:29

Yes, brilliant. That's perfect, especially for killing a husband, I would think. You want the life insurance money, but you don't want to risk a murder investigation. Maybe you need to play the long game - feed him a lot of hidden sugar to cultivate that diabetes. Draw him into an unknown dependency on some kind of drug. Anything that will eventually give you a weakness which you can hook into and use to destroy him, with no suspicion falling onto yourself.

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In Victorian gothic novels victims were often slowly poisoned, they would get more and more unwell and sickly so that when they finally died no one was surprised.

Ladybirder · 27/12/2023 23:24

My local authority incinerates our waste, so if the murder was timed the night before bin day and you put it in a bin not your own…. 🔥

NashvilleQueen · 27/12/2023 23:28

Leave out in one of those charity bag collections?

Ladybirder · 27/12/2023 23:33

I’ve had another idea- similar to PP but take to tesco/ Dunelm for the fabric recycling. Or wash and take to a charity shop?

Messyhair321 · 27/12/2023 23:43

got a story - true one, found a piece of paper in the field, having blown from a bin, I think. This showed instructions to shoot someone, seriously, this is what happened a couple of years ago. I called the police with note, they came, took fingerprints from this note, but too late, someone locally had tried to shoot this person in their house, turned out the note I found was key to this crime. Anyway, never throw evidence in the recycling bin.
Everyone was ok in the end as far as I know, no one killed but yes this note was a plan to murder someone.

GnomeDePlume · 28/12/2023 04:34

@Messyhair321 that must have been quite a shock! I suppose it was evidence of premeditation.

It must be very tempting as a potential murderer 'to make a little list'. The more complicated the crime the more necessary the list must become

There was a man who murdered his parents for gain. His crime scene clean up To Do list was left on the side and found by police. He left so many clues inadvertently. One of which was a potato.

Once an investigation narrows in on a suspect all the little pieces of evidence will start to mount up.

PUGMEISTER21 · 28/12/2023 09:30

If I was investigating a murder the first place I woukd look is the village of By. They always say on the news "The bodies were found near by"

JMSA · 28/12/2023 09:33

OP, be honest with us, has your partner really been THAT annoying over Christmas? Grin

JMSA · 28/12/2023 09:36

user1477391263 · 26/12/2023 15:18

I‘d hack up the body with the hacksaw we use for cutting up the Xmas tree, put it in a bunch of small separate freezer bags, put them in the freezer, then dispose of them one by one in the bin.

(Can’t believe I just wrote that)

🤣🤣🤣