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Same every year

79 replies

checkedcloth · 26/12/2023 07:50

Does anyone feel like this? We host every year, my parents come to us. It’s a very strained relationship, and so us not hosting them would cause all sorts of upset. They don’t really get into the spirit of things, frown if we a drink and complain that the food is ‘too fattening’.

it’s a long day, that’s ok but certainly not reflective of big family gatherings full of fun.

so much effort and lead up (from me) and I just don’t enjoy it at all really. I’m 50, when will it get better??

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sunshinesupermum · 26/12/2023 11:36

Thanks all. It’s not a usual relationship where you can be honest with each other I am afraid. If I said how I feel, this would cause all sorts of issues including my mother ‘getting unwell’.
I had a mother like this OP although sometimes she would say my father was 'unwell'. She would stop talking to me for weeks or even months if I didn't do as she wanted. I had a nervous breakdown in my 40s as a result and went NC afterwards. No regrets on my part but my DDs who were 8 and 12 at the time remember their 'mad' grandmother and her actions.
Just stop entertaining your parents for Christmas. You and your family will be all the better for it.

Mossstitch · 26/12/2023 12:03

The LAST time my mother came for Xmas Dinner she stood up in the middle, clutched her chest and had phoney choking episode. My three sons all looked at me to see if I was panicking, when they saw I wasn't they returned to eating their turkey dinner, they knew what she was like by then. I had literally just sat down as serving everybody else and she insisted on being taken home (50m walking distance but couldn't possibly go alone despite being fully mobile). Didn't matter that I was in the middle of my dinner...........it was attention seeking behaviour brought on I'm pretty sure as she didnt like seeing me running about after my sons paying them lots of attention rather than her (all young adults one from abroad so I'm happy paying them lots of attention).

I totally understand the playing the 'unwell' card as she's done it all my life, she did not get invited again, now we just have a chilled relaxed time just the four of us! It's worth the fallout 💐

SylvieLaufeydottir · 26/12/2023 12:08

checkedcloth · 26/12/2023 07:54

Yes we have DCs. They are under 13, they don’t really know any difference.

I cannot even begin to start to describe the fallout if we suggested we were doing something different next year.

What are they going to do? Beat you up? Steal your money?

They have no power over you. I know that's difficult to realise, but you are the one with the power here, and you are willingly, voluntarily and unnecessarily giving it away and making yourself miserable because you don't realise it.

So they'll throw a colossal strop if you do something else for Christmas. So fucking what? You don't live with them, so hang up the phone, don't read the texts, don't arrange to see them. Leave if they have a go at you. They throw colossal strops anyway, don't they? Them not having a colossal strop of some sort is not an option on the table. So you might as well have an actually nice Christmas and let the strop happen somewhere you're not.

youveturnedupwelldone · 26/12/2023 12:31

My family are awful too in much the same way. After Covid and a couple of virtual Christmases we decided to bite the bullet and change our routine. Previously we'd gone for the whole day and it was awful, now we go for a couple of hours and we agree before we get there what time we're going to leave.

The first year we got all sorts of recriminations and frankly abuse - like that was going to make us want to go there?! This year was much calmer, but they seemed annoyed we'd had a nice day prior to coming to theirs.

Honestly life is too short to put up with the crap - change your plans for next year, deal with the fallout and have a much nice time.

Fairyliz · 26/12/2023 12:42

I will follow the advice on this thread, I will follow the advice on this thread, I will follow the advice on this thread.

Im 63 is it too late to change?

closingdownsale · 26/12/2023 12:56

I have experience of the 'getting unwell' family member, OP. I bet you were brought up to respect everyone else before yourself.

At some point, you just have to accept the upset and uninvite them in the future. Don't put up with anymore, you've only got one life, and your DCs have only got one childhood.

A few years ago I was talking to a Muslim &non-English guy at work, and saying how much I was dreading Christmas for how much obligation and stress there was and his really confused response of "WTF?! you just have a miserable day with relatives you hardly ever see and don't actually like and spend loads of money on them..and your not a practising Christian either...why do you do this?!" - it changed how I did Christmas after that

mbosnz · 26/12/2023 13:10

OP, it wasn't over Christmas, but my mother once invited herself to a very meaningful, once in a lifetime, and extremely traumatic event, to stay with us. I had never once told my 'mother' no.

But I took one look at my poor, nigh on broken, husband and children's faces when they heard the news, and rang my mother up, and said, 'I'm really sorry, but we can't have you here for this, you are not invited, and you are sadly not welcome, for this time.'

Fall out? Boy howdy, the tears, the anger, the histrionics, and then, the silence. Two blessed weeks of silence when she wasn't talking to me. After that, because I'd been unmovable, she rang, and said she'd decided 'this had gone on long enough'. I think she realised that she was gonna have to do the ringing, because for once, I wasn't going to do the crumbling and crawling.

Now, she's a bit more used to the notion that she needs to ask, rather than demand, because a 'no' is more than a theoretical possibility. Go for it. Seize the fish? What is the worst, really, that can happen?

If the palpitations, vapours, tears and smelling salts fail to impress, what is the worst they can do?

Or alternatively, do what my sister did with her husband, who actively seeks to make Christmas miserable for everyone, tell him exactly what it is that he does that pisses you off, and tell them they are on notice NOT to do that this Christmas, or it will be cut short, and be the last Christmas you host them. And mean it.

ilovesooty · 26/12/2023 13:13

DustyLee123 · 26/12/2023 07:50

When they’re dead.

Or when you address the potential conflict and stop hosting them.

AngelicInnocent · 26/12/2023 13:14

Yeah, I was not looking forward to this year, stuck with my mother and FIL. However, I had been proactive and organised for them to arrive about 20 minutes before dinner was served and leave while the washing up was under way.

Not way would I put up with a full day of misery.

SIL deals with hosting my mother for 48 hours by feeding her non stop alcoholic drinks. I don't blame her.

Ju1ieAndrews · 26/12/2023 13:40

For various reasons we gave up the "duty" Christmas Day years ago and now spend our time with people whose company we enjoy.

We are all so much happier for it.

And for those who say "it could be their last Christmas" my husband died unexpectedly in his 40s, his miserable parents are still alive in their 80s (despite claiming to be on the verge of death for the last two decades).

I bitterly regret all of the wasted time on miserable Xmases, when the reality is you have so few holiday days per year to rest and enjoy.

Life is so fleeting and precious, spend it with people who make you happy. This may well be their last Christmas, but it could also be yours.

Doteycat · 26/12/2023 13:44

checkedcloth · 26/12/2023 08:10

Thanks all. It’s not a usual relationship where you can be honest with each other I am afraid. If I said how I feel, this would cause all sorts of issues including my mother ‘getting unwell’.
they would have said they’ve had a good day though, so the feeling isn’t shared at all!

And?
So what if she becomes fake unwell.
That's part of the script.
Plenty of us have this kind of family. The only way to deal with it is remove yourself.
Put your children first.
Will there be a fallout? Yep. So what? They aren't worth it.
The fallout in my family was epic. Like fucking biblical.
Still a lot better than living the rest of my life under their bullshit.
They are not more important than my sanity or my children's childhood.
Fuck them and their fallout.

happyfoot · 26/12/2023 14:16

And for those who say "it could be their last Christmas" my husband died unexpectedly in his 40s, his miserable parents are still alive in their 80s (despite claiming to be on the verge of death for the last two decades).

So well said. My lovely mum died at age 60 whilst her bullying, critical parents both lived well into their mid 90s. I often wonder if the stress of having to do their bidding all her life and all her repressed anger at them had something to do with her illness. You never know when it's anyone's "last Christmas" so enjoy life, and don't fitter that precious time away on people who make you completely miserable!

AuntMarch · 26/12/2023 14:19

Just stop doing it. If they'd fall out with you over it, I'd let them. I don't have time for people like that however closely related!

TheCadoganArms · 26/12/2023 14:25

To be honest I have come to loathe christmas. These days I just see a week plus of hassle, expense, waste, boredom, forced entertainment and stress. I just want to spend that week skiing or on some island somewhere.

LeggyLinda · 26/12/2023 14:34

We don’t host anymore due to changes in circumstances. But when we did (a lot), looking back, whenever we invited a single friend over too everyone was a little more tolerable. It seems family are a little bit better behaved and polite around a “stranger”. Something to consider for next year maybe

TwilightSkies · 26/12/2023 14:39

You can’t control their emotions or reactions. You CAN control what you do. If you can’t even be honest with them, why be so concerned about the relationship?

WiddlinDiddlin · 26/12/2023 14:41

Just stop doing it.

There was fallout when sister and I decided we'd do our own christmases and our elderly father was not welcome - because every year he determined (and said so) to be as obnoxious as possible to piss off whichever of us hosted, including swearing, getting blind drunk and trying to drive home when he got bored (instead of waiting for his lift to finish eating their meal) and throwing plates when there were no more toast and pate bits (ie starter finished, time to serve the actual meal, everyone else waiting)...

We announced the end of the big family christmas in January. The stropping continued to March and then died a death and by October it was all HIS decision not to come out and play and instead he'd go to the pub and come home and eat whatever plated food had been left for him by Santas Elves (us).

What a relief! This year, she's off skiing and me and DP have had a lovely day doing exactly as we please, when we please and eating our favourite foods.

So OP - rip the plaster off, tell them in the next few DAYS that next year you won't be hosting.

You don't need to tell them why or how you feel or any of that stuff, just tell them it isn't happening again, and then ignore the fallout.

If she will be 'unwell' as a result of your outrageous decision, so be it, she won't be 'unwell' for the whole year, and if she did manage to sustain that level of drama well more fool her.

RepetitiveMotion · 26/12/2023 14:44

Yes I’d go abroad next year to break the cycle.

checkedcloth · 26/12/2023 15:09

Thanks all for taking the time to reply and also share some similar family dynamics. They are certainly not easy.
we have had falling outs because I’ve not been the dutiful daughter and the impact on me is vast. They have a certain hold on me and I find it intolerable that anyone would be cross with me. It literally scares me.

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widowtwankywashroom · 26/12/2023 15:12

checkedcloth · 26/12/2023 15:09

Thanks all for taking the time to reply and also share some similar family dynamics. They are certainly not easy.
we have had falling outs because I’ve not been the dutiful daughter and the impact on me is vast. They have a certain hold on me and I find it intolerable that anyone would be cross with me. It literally scares me.

Well it's about time you put your big girl pants on and started standing up for yourself and setting an example to your children

Rumplestrumpet · 26/12/2023 15:12

In the kindest possible way OP, this is your issue you need to work through. I suggest counseling to work out why your mum has this hold on you and how to break free. You deserve to be happy. It is possible.

widowtwankywashroom · 26/12/2023 15:13

You let them have a hold on you
You facilitate this

Princesspollyyy · 26/12/2023 15:13

This sounds exactly like our Christmas used to be. We no longer get together for Christmas Day as I found it unbearable, I'm quite a 'fun' mum, and go all out at Christmas.

My mum is very 'not too much of this or that, none of that food it's too fattening etc.'

One year I just said we were having Christmas in our own and it was fine. Now we have loads of fun and do exactly as we want.

AuntMarch · 26/12/2023 15:14

I can understand that to an extent, I'm mortified if I've upset anybody usually.
But this would be their own doing. You wouldn't invite anyone else back if they behaved that way! They don't have automatic rights to take the piss just because they are family.

You just need to believe you have not done wrong, and that them being cross is just because they've had to face consequences of their own actions. You'd accept a child being cross with you if you disciplined them for their behaviour/said no to something - it feels horrible, but it has to happen sometimes. This isn't much different!

Hygeelady · 26/12/2023 15:19

I usually love Christmas (6 tree type of person 🤣) but I'm beginning to get sick of it. Putting up with other people who are rude, get drunk, loud and obnoxious. An excess of food to the extreme (ridiculous when people are starving around the world and people in our communities visit the food bank), little yapping diva dogs, and everyone trying to pretend like we all get on 🤦‍♀️ looking in my garden at the absolute enormous pile of recycling, the pile of shitty gifts you don't want 🤣🤣. People 'too busy' to pop in for a cuppa when delivering said shitty gifts that I'd rather they didn't bother with, it would be better to chat! People driving all around the town to deliver a selection box to say they got something.. the waste! Humans are terrible, the poor earth and animals. I think I might hate christmas now, I'm ready to stuff it all up the loft and be done...

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