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To be shocked that over half a million people under the age of 35 are out of work due to long-term sickness

406 replies

puncheur · 24/12/2023 16:29

I had no idea. These numbers are extraordinary. 560k people between the ages of 16 and 34 economically inactive due to long term illness.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/24/500000-under-35s-out-of-work-long-term-illness-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

More than 500,000 under-35s in UK out of work due to long-term illness

Experts link 44% increase in four years to a growing mental health crisis and underinvestment in health services

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/24/500000-under-35s-out-of-work-long-term-illness-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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TigerRag · 24/12/2023 18:12

Hecate01 · 24/12/2023 18:09

Exactly the same where I live. It's like stepford wives because everyone has the same mobility car, they can all walk to Weatherspoon and bingo though.

Why haven't you (or Davies 24) reported these people?

Doingthingsdifferently · 24/12/2023 18:16

I have always been well and worked full time until this year when I badly slipped a disc in my back. The NHS gave me morphine for two days and sent me home with a shrug and ‘backs take two years to heal’ - luckily with private medical care, surgery and physio I was able to continue my full time job within a month - left to the NHS I would needlessly have joined that statistic

thatsnotmywean · 24/12/2023 18:16

its not the nhs stopping the person from working though is it? The employer could still recruit them

and the fact OP thinks an illness and disability are two separate things says a lot about their understanding of disability.

LuluBlakey1 · 24/12/2023 18:26

tescocreditcard · 24/12/2023 17:17

There isn't any point being a "low earner". You might just as well not bother to work at all.

Well there is, because you are providing for yourself because you can, rather than expecting others to pay for you because you choose not to work.

This is where I have an issue with benefits- not with people who can not work but with those who choose not to because they can be handed more money for not working.

SALWARP2023 · 24/12/2023 18:27

I've had MH problems since 13. I have always worked in some capacity.

Angelsrose · 24/12/2023 18:27

I think life for youngsters now is much tougher than it was even 10 years ago. The qualifications needed for the most basic of jobs (with poor remuneration) are extraordinary. The chance of buying a house is very remote. I understand a lot of pressure on young people can lead to very poor mental health. However I think blaming the NHS for everything (as PPs have done) is unfair. The NHS is chronically underfunded and understaffed. Not many people want to train to work in it because it is tough. Also if so many people are off sick, who does everything think will staff the NHS?

christmaspawpaws · 24/12/2023 18:30

By 35 I had
Hashimotos
Hidradenitis supprativa
Neutropenic
Cauda equina

So I can see why. I took 12 weeks off work for the cauda equina but apart from that I've continued to work FT. However if I could afford it and/or got PIP then I would drop my hours to 35 as 40 is a massive struggle. But I don't/can't so it is what it is

T1cTacT03 · 24/12/2023 18:31

Transition from CAMHS is awful. There is no 18-25 provision in many areas and often input from CAMHS is just one long wait. So you end up with untreated mental health which gets entrenched which is debilitating and harder to treat .

This government has brought it on themselves.

christmaspawpaws · 24/12/2023 18:32

Oh and now I've got severe endometriosis to add to the list
Didn't have income protection as I was young, and the neutropenia classes as a critical illness I now can't get life insurance or anything

DonnaBanana · 24/12/2023 18:33

I think it’s quite ableist to suggest mental health problems mean people can’t work. There is nothing inherent about being mentally ill that precludes someone from working or being a functioning member of society

Deebee90 · 24/12/2023 18:34

I was one of them at 27 got ill and couldn’t work. My life a mix of hospital appointments and rest. Thank god for chemo is all I’ll say gave me my life back and also allowed me to work after 3 years not working

bellac11 · 24/12/2023 18:34

Arent there 9 million people on operating waiting lists?

I agree with something a previous poster said though which is that I think that when people have unrealistic expectations about their future and ability to do jobs which they're not suited for because they're worth more than whatever boring job they perceive they have to settle for, their MH is likely to take a dip. In fact their MH will take a dip if they have unrealistic expectations generally

Honeychickpea · 24/12/2023 18:35

Considering how often people on Mumsnet suggest that people should get "signed off with stress" I astonished that you are "surprised".

Mumof2NDers · 24/12/2023 18:38

AppleChristsBirthdayMacchiato · 24/12/2023 16:32

I wonder what percentage is due to Long Covid.

Sadly, my 23 year old DS is one of them. He’s struggled to find work due to his ADHD and Tourette’s. He finally got a job in Asda picking for the online shopping. He started work and they put him on shelf stacking. He had to quit after a month due to his long Covid. All the lifting was too much for him. 😢

Doris86 · 24/12/2023 18:39

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Exactly this. I know a couple of people who are claiming long term sickness. They both play sports, go on holiday, play computer games all day etc, but claim they are too ill to sit on a computer to do a days work. They basically know how to play the system, and are exaggerating some quite minor condition they have.

The system really needs to clampdown on these kind of scroungers.

MumblesParty · 24/12/2023 18:40

Well I know I’ll be ripped apart for this, but it is based on my observation as a GP for over 25 years.

Depression and anxiety is very subjective. There’s no test for it. If a patient says the feel a certain way, doctors have no choice but to believe them. If they say they feel too depressed/anxious to work, we can’t prove otherwise, so we have to give them a sick note. Even if they decline medication or counselling, we still have to give them sick notes.

I’ve had patients who have been on long term sick for years due to depression, and not taken a single antidepressant or had any kind of talking therapy. In that time they’ve had marriages, kids, divorces, new relationships, holidays, house moves - all the usual stuff - but they never work.

In general these are people with pretty shit lives - bad childhood, low income upbringing, dysfunctional families - so they have plenty of reasons to be unhappy and anxious.

But often I find myself thinking they’d be much happier if they actually had a job, which would give them a sense of achievement, a feeling of positivity, and also more money than the tiny amount of benefit they get. But the longer someone is out of work, the harder it is to imagine working again. People get used to a certain life and they’re wary of changing it. There’s also a big fear that once you relinquish your benefits, you may not be able to reactivate them if the job goes wrong.

Personally I think there should be more obligation to do “therapeutic” work - people on long term sickness benefit should be encouraged to take on small supervised roles. I recall an alcoholic patient of mine, an apparently hopeless case, never managed to stop drinking for more than a few weeks. The longest dry period he ever had was when he worked in a charity shop - he ended up as the store manager, and he was happy and fulfilled for years, until an electrical fire burnt the shop down and it never reopened. He started drinking again and never worked again.

I realise this goes massively against the MN belief that everyone on sick leave is completely incapacitated, and that anyone saying otherwise is an evil bastard!

cakeorwine · 24/12/2023 18:41

Doris86 · 24/12/2023 18:39

Exactly this. I know a couple of people who are claiming long term sickness. They both play sports, go on holiday, play computer games all day etc, but claim they are too ill to sit on a computer to do a days work. They basically know how to play the system, and are exaggerating some quite minor condition they have.

The system really needs to clampdown on these kind of scroungers.

If only you could report them

Report benefit fraud - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Report benefit fraud

Report someone committing benefit fraud - you can report anonymously.

https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

Octavia64 · 24/12/2023 18:42

Depression can have objective signs (the person has tried to kill themselves or self harms in a way that leaves visible signs).

So can anxiety - a panic attack is fairly obvious as is a dissociative seizure.

Mumof2NDers · 24/12/2023 18:43

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My 23 year old has long Covid. Diagnosed. He had to leave a job he liked because he wasn’t physically able to do it. Do you think he’s happy being trapped in the body of an old man? He’d love nothing more than to be able to live the life he had before. And he isn’t claiming any benefits!

Neveraga1n · 24/12/2023 18:44

I have reported my brother.multiple times and no one investigates/ ever finds him working (though they could easily look on his facebook)

lostonmars · 24/12/2023 18:44

DewHopper · 24/12/2023 17:02

WFH has surely opened up opportunities for people?

WFH jobs are incredibly difficult to get.

Davies24 · 24/12/2023 18:44

Hecate01 · 24/12/2023 18:09

Exactly the same where I live. It's like stepford wives because everyone has the same mobility car, they can all walk to Weatherspoon and bingo though.

Apparently i'm lying and making all these people up. Because i'm a "tory" or whatever 😂

I actually know another bloke.. He's only got one kidney so he's on disability. Actually he's a mate of mine and i won't judge him, i don't know what kind of issues only one kidney would have. But he seems capable and well enough to come down the pub, go about his daily life etc etc..

There's probably an equally large amount of deserving people who couldn't get PIP if they wanted to..

The system is seriously perverted and fked up.

TigerRag · 24/12/2023 18:46

lostonmars · 24/12/2023 18:44

WFH jobs are incredibly difficult to get.

I looked recently and they're either (my area) pip assessors or language translation.

NotInvisible · 24/12/2023 18:46

I've been chronically ill since 13. I wish I could work :(

Neveraga1n · 24/12/2023 18:46

Davies24 · 24/12/2023 18:44

Apparently i'm lying and making all these people up. Because i'm a "tory" or whatever 😂

I actually know another bloke.. He's only got one kidney so he's on disability. Actually he's a mate of mine and i won't judge him, i don't know what kind of issues only one kidney would have. But he seems capable and well enough to come down the pub, go about his daily life etc etc..

There's probably an equally large amount of deserving people who couldn't get PIP if they wanted to..

The system is seriously perverted and fked up.

My brother gets pip for mobility (he can meet his drug dealer wherever/whenever, who cash in hand as a builder) but I know a lady who applied for pip and got denied she walks with two sticks.