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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or does anyone else get tired of the way men treat women's home-based jobs as if they aren't real?

136 replies

Thepeopleversuswork · 19/12/2023 15:19

Does anyone else have this? I WFH two or three days a week, have done for years, have a home office. I feel like whenever I interact with men (and sorry but it is usually men) in the course of my working day they treat my job as if it's a joke and something I can just drop at any minute. Little things, but these three things happened to me yesterday and I'm 90% sure they wouldn't have happened to a bloke.

Having work done on my house: I had a plasterer round to do a job. When I spoke to him last week to arrange it I said Monday is good but please can you try not to arrive between 10 and 11.30am as I'm on a work call which I can't step away from. All good, he says, he'll be here by 9.30am latest. He tips up at 10.30am and knocks on the doorbell. I'm leading a call with about 15 people and have to get up to let him in which is embarrassing and awkward for my junior team.

I'm irritated but I get that you can't always control the arrival time in heavy traffic so I don't get pissed off with him, but he doesn't apologise for the timing and starts yammering on to me in excruciating detail about what he's going to do when we've already had this conversation. I then make my excuses and say if you're going out to your van can you leave the door on the latch because I can't get away again. 15 minutes later he does exactly the same thing, rings the doorbell, drags me off the same call and then drags me down into the kitchen to talk about what he's going to do.

A bit later my ex husband calls to speak to my DD (he's overseas at the moment) and insists on putting me on the phone to his mother (who I still get on well with) for a chinwag. I tell him I'll call back after I've finished work. "But you work from home," he says. "You can talk to my mum for a minute." I say no, call after work hours. He calls back half an hour later (11.30ish) and puts his mum straight on to me without checking if I'm free. It's embarrassing telling an elderly woman who I hardly see that I don't have time to talk to her so I have to spend 10 minute chewing the fat when I'm frantically busy.

Later still the dad of a friend of my DD calls me to say he's going to be late back from work and can the friend come back to mine for an hour after school. I say ordinarily it would be fine but today it's not ideal because by then DD will be out and I'm working. "It's fine, she can just watch TV," he says, before I put my foot down.

Despite the fact that hybrid working is the norm for many people, I feel like a lot of people (mainly blokes although some women do it too) feel it's a nice cushty one for women which they can do to earn pin money while they look after their kids and think they have an absolute entitlement to butt into it as they see fit.

No one would dream of doing that to someone working in a City office. It's a job. It doesn't matter whether you're in the suburbs or in a gleaming building in the centre of town, you still should have the right not to be endlessly disturbed by other people just to make their lives slightly easier. It's just another example of men thinking they have the right to interrupt woman and take as much of their time as they need, isn't it?

OP posts:
Dotjones · 19/12/2023 15:25

YABU because if you're choosing to mix personal jobs with your business work it's your own fault. In other words, you're trying to have the best of both worlds.

If you were in an office the plasterer wouldn't have interrupted you. If you had scheduled the plasterer for a day when you weren't working, they wouldn't have interrupted your work. What happened is your responsibility.

You chose to answer the phone for personal calls. If you're working properly then maybe you should act as you would if you got a personal call in the office, ignore it or tell them you'll call back when it's convenient for you.

To be honest you sound like the reason people thing those WFH are taking the piss, letting personal errands and their social life get in the way of the work they're being paid to do.

ntmdino · 19/12/2023 15:25

I genuinely don't think it's anything to do with women's WFH jobs - it's more to do with people who don't WFH not respecting that it's actually work at all if you're at home. Everyone I know who works from home has at least one story that's a variant of your first one - tradies turning up late, and acting like you're just sitting around watching TV and browsing Facebook.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/12/2023 15:30

Hahahahah this is literally my life!

I don’t actually have a choice to go to the office but I wish I did. I joke to my husband all the time and say ‘you’re so lucky, you have a stay at home wife that pays half the bills!’

except im not really joking. All the house stuff is down to me, car need new tyres ‘can you pop it to the garage’ all the kids stuff all the washing and food shopping and cooking etc etc. because I'm at home, it’s easier for you……

I work much longer hours now than I ever did in the office. God I miss 9-5 working!!

what I wouldn’t give for an hour on the train each way to ready my book!!

possiblenow · 19/12/2023 15:35

I don't think it's because you're a woman, OP. Loads of workmen are like this - they arrive and think that they are the day's main event. You're lucky he didn't assume to put music on. Too often they are oblivious and yes, they will ramble on, as you say, in excruciating detail about what they are going to do. There is definitely a type of workmen that needs a lot of attention / affirmation. But they will be like this wherever they go. It's just that perhaps men WFH find it easier to give them short shrift?

possiblenow · 19/12/2023 15:36

Or is it short shift?

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:37

You booked a plasterer to come on a work day. I think it's fair enough for him to assume that you're available (though he should be on time).

If you don't want interruptions, don't:

  • book people to work on your house during a work day
  • Answer personal calls

Problem solved.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/12/2023 15:38

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:37

You booked a plasterer to come on a work day. I think it's fair enough for him to assume that you're available (though he should be on time).

If you don't want interruptions, don't:

  • book people to work on your house during a work day
  • Answer personal calls

Problem solved.

So only Saturdays and Sundays for tradespeople then?

gamerchick · 19/12/2023 15:39

I think, in order to get any peace you'll have to treat it like you're not in the house. No workmen or personal calls during work hours at all.

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:40

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/12/2023 15:38

So only Saturdays and Sundays for tradespeople then?

How do you think people who work out of home manage to get work done on their houses?

Hipnotised · 19/12/2023 15:41

You need to put stronger boundaries around your work time. Say no and mean it.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/12/2023 15:43

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:40

How do you think people who work out of home manage to get work done on their houses?

I used to take the day off or work from home tbh! ( that was in the days where you didn’t have virtual meetings so could only wfh if you had a paper to write or something) now it’s back to back calls all day everyday!

Jadedandlost · 19/12/2023 15:46

Why on earth are you answering the door and your personal phone during work hours? I think probably a lot of men are good at putting in boundaries around WFH.

Chiea · 19/12/2023 15:46

Dh and I both wfh, (different industires) and we used to get a lot of comments along the lines of us not working/not a real job, but seems to have reduced since Covid and more people have experience wfh

LucyInTheParkWithDragons · 19/12/2023 15:47

You are a large part of the problem. You can just say No to lots of these people ‘dragging’ you downstairs or ‘insisting’ that they talk to you.

Thepeopleversuswork · 19/12/2023 15:47

@Dotjones

YABU because if you're choosing to mix personal jobs with your business work it's your own fault. In other words, you're trying to have the best of both worlds.

So how if you are a working single parent are you supposed to get personal jobs done if they are never allowed to intrude in the 9 to 5?

By that logic if I were in an office from 9 to 5 and I couldn't ever have a personal job intrude into my work life I'd never be able to get any work done on my house. Never be able to get an appliance fix. Never be able to receive a parcel at home etc.

OP posts:
BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:47

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/12/2023 15:43

I used to take the day off or work from home tbh! ( that was in the days where you didn’t have virtual meetings so could only wfh if you had a paper to write or something) now it’s back to back calls all day everyday!

Bingo - take a day off or choose a day when you're not on calls.

I find the OP's whinging quite annoying tbh - if you act like you're not working (by booking in home improvements, by talking to your ex partner) then people will treat you like you're not working. If they know you're not contactable then they won't harass you. It's not really that hard.

You can't take advantage of working from home by booking in a plasterer then complain when that plasterer arrives and behaves like a plasterer. Plan properly ffs.

Thepeopleversuswork · 19/12/2023 15:49

Jadedandlost · 19/12/2023 15:46

Why on earth are you answering the door and your personal phone during work hours? I think probably a lot of men are good at putting in boundaries around WFH.

Because I have someone coming to do a job at my home. I don't understand what you expect me to do if I'm not allowed to respond to a phonecall or the door during working hours?

OP posts:
BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:50

Thepeopleversuswork · 19/12/2023 15:47

@Dotjones

YABU because if you're choosing to mix personal jobs with your business work it's your own fault. In other words, you're trying to have the best of both worlds.

So how if you are a working single parent are you supposed to get personal jobs done if they are never allowed to intrude in the 9 to 5?

By that logic if I were in an office from 9 to 5 and I couldn't ever have a personal job intrude into my work life I'd never be able to get any work done on my house. Never be able to get an appliance fix. Never be able to receive a parcel at home etc.

I feel like I'm from the dark ages! Back in the distant misty past of 2018 it was quite normal for people to find it a bit difficult to get personal jobs done (single parent or otherwise) because workplaces were generally quite inflexible - they expected you to work during your work time (shocker!) and didn't really care if you needed your skirting boards resanded.

WFH seems to have turned a lot of people in entitled whiners.

Floofydawg · 19/12/2023 15:51

Yeah we get this but we both WFH. Had boiler serviced today and despite us telling him upfront we would both be working so would literally have to let him in and let him get on with it, he blathered on for ages. I don't think it's a woman thing, it's a WFH thing.

(Are some people a bit bitter that they can't WFH and arrange jobs round their work by any chance? Like you're going to take a day off just to have a workman visit!)

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:52

Thepeopleversuswork · 19/12/2023 15:49

Because I have someone coming to do a job at my home. I don't understand what you expect me to do if I'm not allowed to respond to a phonecall or the door during working hours?

If I were your employer I'd expect you to come into the office because you're clearly not coping with the reality of working.

It is totally normal for people not to respond to personal phonecalls during working hours unless it's an emergency. If you're not at home you can't book in a plasterer or answer the door.

MindHowYouGoes · 19/12/2023 15:53

A man wouldn’t have answered the door to the plasterer. If the call was that important then you should have prioritised that and sorted out the plasterer after even if it meant finding a new one.

after all you’re leading a call of 15 people - how much of their time did you waste?

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:54

I would add that if I were your boss and you left a large call to answer the door I'd be very very unimpressed. If you were gone for more than a couple of minutes I'd consider you very unprofessional.

Floofydawg · 19/12/2023 15:54

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:54

I would add that if I were your boss and you left a large call to answer the door I'd be very very unimpressed. If you were gone for more than a couple of minutes I'd consider you very unprofessional.

You don't WFH do you. Happens all the time in my business and no one bats an eyelid.

BallaiLuimni · 19/12/2023 15:56

Floofydawg · 19/12/2023 15:54

You don't WFH do you. Happens all the time in my business and no one bats an eyelid.

I do wfh from time to time, and I work with a lot of people who wfh. For an informal meeting, jumping up to get a parcel or whatever is absolutely fine. But for someone leading a meeting for 15 people, I would expect good planning and respect for everyone's time.

MuggleMe · 19/12/2023 15:56

I'm assuming if you had an interview 10-11.30 you'd have stuck a note on the front door saying can't answer until 11 or something. Not ideal but solution. And yes to not picking up ex the second time around. I have my personal phone on dnd during the working day with just school and DH filtered through.