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Friend ate and drank more at dinner to get even

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flyingdonkey · 09/12/2023 15:30

Friend and I meet every now and then over dinner or drinks.
I think they live above their means, and spend their money on fancy experiences whilst they struggle with living up to desired standards in their personal lives.
In the past I've picked the entire tab or gone Dutch with them. A few months ago, I paid fully for dinner and then said they can pay next time we're out as they have never paid in full for us both. Since then, months passed where we couldn't meet one-on-one (we've met in between with wider groups of friends) because friend always said they were busy with one thing or the other.
Now months passed, friend suggested we see a movie and have dinner. They booked movie tickets for £X and I said I will pay for dinner.
I didn't think much of it.
When we went to dinner, the menu was fairly cheap; we settled for certain foods on the menu. However, in the middle of taking our order, friend changed their mind and ordered for a more expensive food and wine.
When the waiter left, they then said that it's okay as it now means that I'm paying for food equivalent to the £X they'd paid for movie tickets.
I felt they were being calculative and sly.
A few hours later, they wanted another glass of wine and I offered to pay for it and they then objected saying it'll mean we're no longer even. I said it was ok and paid anyway. This meant they now spent £X on movie tickets and I spent £X+30 on food. I told them that there's more to life than trying to be even as it slowly dawned on me that they purposely nudged me to a cheaper food so they can have more expensive food and wine covered within their mental calculation of how to stay even.
When I got home, all the memories then flooded back in relation to how I'm the one who took them to a fully paid dinner the last time and how perhaps cunningly they allowed months to pass before we can meet again and then took the lead on suggesting and paying movies this time so they don't have to pay for food in full.
AIBU to think they're too calculative and I should see them less and make myself unavailable for all these expensive meet-ups they are always suggesting or even just not see them anymore! I woke up this morning thinking I really don't need a drainer in my life. I really could do with saving my money for my future goals, not leading a pretentious lifestyle.

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MargotBamborough · 09/12/2023 20:03

I couldn't be arsed with this sort of friend, OP.

chillin12 · 09/12/2023 20:25

Biscofffans · 09/12/2023 19:37

Yes, your situation sounds very much like mine. I did it out of love as well, I certainly didn’t have a lot of spare cash but she wasn’t working although her partner was doing casual work. And between all the benefits they received they probably had more disposable income than me who was single working full time living in a London flatshare.

I kind of justified it at the time, that she had kids to spend on. But now I see it all differently and I just couldn’t accept such a friendship any longer.

I agree there are wider implications of someone who is selfish with money in friendship. She would also show selfishness by trauma dumping on me even when she knew I was quietly struggling with my own stuff.

At some point it does make you wonder how much they value you as a person, so I can understand the resentment.

I think for my own sanity, I just decided to view it all as a personal failing on her part and an important lesson for myself. I also came to the realisation I allowed this for so long as I was still a bit of a people pleaser, which is something I thought I’d grown out of in childhood. We can’t control others so I just looked inward more and worked on myself.

Definitely good that you’ve taken a step back and given yourself the distance from her you need.

Ah, I get you! It’s so easy to just think, “oh well, I’m doing a nice thing!” Only to find that it’s only ever one-sided! My friend and I were both single tons tho at the time. Yea, I ended up feeling so frustrated how she seemed to be believe she deserved more from the friends than she was willing to give, her somehow, thought she was an amazing friend, given her happy go lucky, enthusiastic demeanour. She always initiates plans and makes an effort to keep in touch. So she has good traits too. But I do think, it was partly my fault as I enabled her and she probs thought I was happy to, and was too careless to reciprocate, and generally, stingy with money, so thought she’d let it keep happening.

just decided to view it all as a personal failing on her part and an important lesson for myself very wise words, and I will remember this! Thank you

I also took it as a life lesson. Similar to you, I was a lethal people pleaser, largely due to a childhood, where so much was expected from me as a “helper,” and I was assumed it to be my role in relationships/friendships. If I didn’t jump at any opportunity to be there for others above myself, it meant I’m unkind.

However, I have finally started to realise that, this is bollocks, and starting to grow out of that mindset. Sadly, I allowed many people to walkover me, due to low self-with, and I am only resentful. I am a lot better now, and have just distanced myself from these situations. And I feel a lot more liberated to be able to acknowledge this.

JingsMahBucket · 09/12/2023 23:49

TheaBrandt · 09/12/2023 18:15

The language used by the op is very odd. Never heard anyone in real life speak like this…

I have. It just depends on the circles you run in. This is normal for some of mine.

SavageTomato · 10/12/2023 00:09

I'm genuinely shocked that people behave like this with people who are supposed to be friends. If I'm meeting a mate for a meal or something I'd be horrified to encounter this kind of thing. Transactional is a kind way to phrase it. Selfish twat is more honest. They are not your friend.

pineapplesundae · 10/12/2023 17:38

Asked and answered!

Redandpinkstripess · 10/12/2023 17:44

No way could I be friend with such a CF. She is not your friend!

namechanged221 · 10/12/2023 18:19

Oh god, I had a friend like this.

She was obsessed with every penny.

It was obscene.

She'd eat off food and serve out of date, off food to guests in order to get her money's worth. She couldn't bear to pay full price for anything and would rather be miserable.

The sad fact was she's actually very well off financially.

NoodleDoodle24 · 10/12/2023 18:40

Stop seeing the ‘friend’.

I cooled off a friendship when I went out of my way to visit bereaved friend and offered to pay for a take away. The take away was for myself, her and her very young child. She ordered an entire meal for the child and an entire meal for herself while I got a cheap item. The take away cost me £55 for 2.5 people!!! And I had taken gifts and travelled for over an hour to get there. I felt a complete mug (even though she has form for this) and haven’t seen her much since.

In short - it won’t get better, cut your losses.

tachetastic · 10/12/2023 19:30

namechanged221 · 10/12/2023 18:19

Oh god, I had a friend like this.

She was obsessed with every penny.

It was obscene.

She'd eat off food and serve out of date, off food to guests in order to get her money's worth. She couldn't bear to pay full price for anything and would rather be miserable.

The sad fact was she's actually very well off financially.

The alternative perspective is that is actually very well off financially BECAUSE she doesn't spend anything.

I don't agree with serving off food to guests, but otherwise good for her for looking for bargains and avoiding waste. When I think of the money I've wasted over the years I could weep.

43ontherocksporfavor · 10/12/2023 19:40

God what a freak! Avoid at all costs.

yeahwhatev · 10/12/2023 19:50

You have no real idea about your friend’s financial situation. I personally cannot understand how people have money to go out for dinner on a regular basis. Normally I meet friends for coffee or drinks - sometimes we pay for each other, but if it’s more than a coffee or one drink, we normally split. It just creates pressure otherwise - I feel this is just basic respect for my friends and not wishing to put themselves under pressure. I do have a couple of more wealthy friends and I actually find it stressful going out with them. I have even said up front I’d prefer to go for a drink not dinner for cost reasons - but still under pressure to go to fancy places where a glass of wine costs a tenner. It’s just thoughtless in my opinion. It doesn’t matter who pays - it’s about respecting the other person and that respect being mutual. So I think you are also being weird and calculating about money - and making a big deal about paying for each other without acknowledging that creates financial pressure on people. I’ve no idea if your friend is a cheeky arse, maybe she is. But you sound quite insensitive too.

43ontherocksporfavor · 10/12/2023 19:55

i always pay for my own as do my friends.

mylifestory · 10/12/2023 23:32

It's horrible whwn u realise how calculating other ppl are.
Next time forget Yr purse!

Harmonypus · 11/12/2023 02:27

If they suggest going out again, make sure you get to choose one of your more expensive venues, then when the bill comes, spend 5mins searching through your bag and ....
"Oh dear, I can't seem to be able to find my purse! You don't mind covering this one do you? I've now than covered loads for you in the past!".
Then block them!

Ger1atricMillennial · 11/12/2023 03:01

Yeah, only meet for takeaway coffee and a walk next time, and get there early and buy yours first.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 11/12/2023 03:01

It really sounds like it's all about her, her celebrations, what's going on in her life, you treating her, when does she celebrate you?
She was being spiteful, if she wanted to be even with you she should have paid for both the tickets and the meal, then however many other meals needed to catch up. Pay for just yourself going forward no matter what she's celebrating because she never celebrates you in return. If you only see her at group things in future then you know she's not really a good friend.

Zerosleep · 11/12/2023 07:08

Don’t have time for people like that, that’s not a friend is it.

Del67 · 11/12/2023 10:29

You now have useful information about them. You know they are calculating and watchful about money, they claim they like everything to be fair, but they don’t mind if you pay more than them. I personally can’t abide this sort of meanness, but I do have a friend who is very mean and have managed to continue the friendship by just splitting everything. I used to be the first one to pay but after a while, I felt taken advantage of. I then made my own calculation that about the friendship and whether I still wanted him to be my friend, I decided I did, and the only thing we needed to sort out was the money side of things. We didn’t have a conversation about it, but I just changed my behaviour and it’s worked. I like him, but he is mean and I just have to accept that about him.

flyingdonkey · 11/12/2023 22:11

yeahwhatev · 10/12/2023 19:50

You have no real idea about your friend’s financial situation. I personally cannot understand how people have money to go out for dinner on a regular basis. Normally I meet friends for coffee or drinks - sometimes we pay for each other, but if it’s more than a coffee or one drink, we normally split. It just creates pressure otherwise - I feel this is just basic respect for my friends and not wishing to put themselves under pressure. I do have a couple of more wealthy friends and I actually find it stressful going out with them. I have even said up front I’d prefer to go for a drink not dinner for cost reasons - but still under pressure to go to fancy places where a glass of wine costs a tenner. It’s just thoughtless in my opinion. It doesn’t matter who pays - it’s about respecting the other person and that respect being mutual. So I think you are also being weird and calculating about money - and making a big deal about paying for each other without acknowledging that creates financial pressure on people. I’ve no idea if your friend is a cheeky arse, maybe she is. But you sound quite insensitive too.

You may be missing something here.
My friend chose the activities for the night - the arts, the restaurant, the food on the menu!
That's how they wanted us to spend our one-on-one time. They suggested everything.
How then have you concluded that I have been insensitive to them and not put their financial situation into consideration?

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