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To think the 'Net Contributors' argument is just wrong?

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Yetmorebeanstocount · 04/12/2023 22:22

Just been reading about "Net Contributors" of tax and how it supposedly is a bad thing that we don't have enough in this country.
i.e. - that most people receive more, in cash benefits, social care, NHS, police, education, roads, bin collections etc. etc. than they will ever pay for via their taxes, so they are 'net recipients' of the system rather than 'net contributors'.

My reaction is - well yes of course. That is how it should be!

Take a very-over-simplified example to illustrate the maths:

Say there are 100 people who earn £1k, and one person who earns £200k. Say the 100 pay no taxes, and the one person pays tax at 50% of £100k.

That tax gets re-distributed to the 100 people in the form of services and benefits and pensions, so that the 100 now have the equivalent of £2k each and the one person still has £100k.
What is supposed to be wrong with this? It is just basic re-distribution of income, which is something that every civilised society should do.

Of course in real life people earn all sorts of amounts and receive different things, so it is not so simple, but the principle is the same - a few at the top are 'net contributors' and the rest are 'net recipients'.

And of course, those at the top still get something back as they drive on roads and have their bins collected, and have the benefit of living in a civilised society which is policed and (mostly) does not have people dying on the streets.

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BIossomtoes · 10/12/2023 12:05

student loans are not written off when you emigrate - you’re still supposed to pay them back- whether individuals can find a way out of it is another issue.

Poor wording on my part, I apologise. That may well be the case but repayment is voluntary because it’s obviously outside the PAYE system. In practice most medics who emigrate never repay a penny once they’ve left - and who can blame them? My point still stands that writing off medical and dental student loans in exchange for a period of work in the NHS would be a practical way of resolving some of its staffing issues.

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 10/12/2023 13:52

It’s amazing that highly educated people with multiple degrees and brains the size of the planet find time to police other posters on MN really. One would imagine they’d be too busy in their high power jobs to come on here and slag off others.

lkwhjis · 10/12/2023 19:25

Grumpsy · 10/12/2023 11:50

@BIossomtoes I’m lost for words. You seem bitter, incapable of comprehension of something not directly effecting yourself, and unable to see the consequences of these taxes that have been explained.

student loans are not written off when you emigrate - you’re still supposed to pay them back- whether individuals can find a way out of it is another issue.

anyway, good look finding your ideological paradise to move to whilst the rest of us continue on with reality 🤦🏻‍♀️

Well said

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 11/12/2023 10:43

Grumpsy · 10/12/2023 11:50

@BIossomtoes I’m lost for words. You seem bitter, incapable of comprehension of something not directly effecting yourself, and unable to see the consequences of these taxes that have been explained.

student loans are not written off when you emigrate - you’re still supposed to pay them back- whether individuals can find a way out of it is another issue.

anyway, good look finding your ideological paradise to move to whilst the rest of us continue on with reality 🤦🏻‍♀️

Disagreeing with people isn't a "lack of comprehension of something not directly effecting [sic] yourself".
It's odd how people advocating for tax bribes for wealthier people presumably voted Tory - the party which after 13 years has done nothing to address these cliff edge banding issues (in fact it made them worse with the child benefit and tax free child care changes they made.

Grumpsy · 11/12/2023 10:48

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 11/12/2023 10:43

Disagreeing with people isn't a "lack of comprehension of something not directly effecting [sic] yourself".
It's odd how people advocating for tax bribes for wealthier people presumably voted Tory - the party which after 13 years has done nothing to address these cliff edge banding issues (in fact it made them worse with the child benefit and tax free child care changes they made.

I didn’t vote Tory thank you very much 🙄

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