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To wonder if we are all equal in Heaven

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Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 21:15

I was thinking about those that have never found love or who have loved and lost. And those that have lost a spouse who has passed away but have gone on to remarry - what happens when the person who has remarried dies and is reunited with former spouse? And then the other spouse dies as well. How does it go down?

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Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 21:45

GodDammitCecil · 29/11/2023 21:42

It’s the very antithesis of Mumsnet.

Thank fuck for that 😄

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SethSaysNowt · 29/11/2023 21:48

I went down a rabbit hole of reading NDE cases.
It’s interesting that many include information that the person couldn’t have known (things said in different rooms when the person was being worked on), and most are very similar. It matches up to a couple of weird experiences that happened to me, so feels logical to me.

That said, some will never, ever believe, so it’s not worth discussing.

I believe, but it’s not for me to try to persuade others to believe, they can think what they want.

JanglyBeads · 29/11/2023 21:49

It'll have all the positive aspects of MN!

Flandango · 29/11/2023 21:50

I went to Heaven once. It was 2 for 1 shots all night and they played classic 80s cheesey tunes. Loved it

GodDammitCecil · 29/11/2023 21:51

To be honest, I don’t know what to think about it all, which is why I’m firmly agnostic, will never be an atheist, and don’t have the faith to believe.

But no-one on here can provide any definitive answers.

I do suspect that man-made, organised religion is about as far from the truth as it’s possible to get.

Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 21:51

SethSaysNowt · 29/11/2023 21:48

I went down a rabbit hole of reading NDE cases.
It’s interesting that many include information that the person couldn’t have known (things said in different rooms when the person was being worked on), and most are very similar. It matches up to a couple of weird experiences that happened to me, so feels logical to me.

That said, some will never, ever believe, so it’s not worth discussing.

I believe, but it’s not for me to try to persuade others to believe, they can think what they want.

I'm always fascinated by those who shut it down straight away without any discussion, comparison to believing in the tooth fairy bla bla bla.. I find it so odd that they say there is nothing, blackness... and they are ok with that!

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SethSaysNowt · 29/11/2023 21:53

I do suspect that man-made, organised religion is about as far from the truth as it’s possible to get.

I believe the reality is pretty close to the roots of religion, but most religions are patriarchied to fuck, and benefit powerful men first and foremost.

Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 21:53

GodDammitCecil · 29/11/2023 21:44

Do you really want to go to heaven, anyway?

I’m reminded of the words of Elizabeth Taylor…

The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.

Imagine that for all eternity……………

Lol. You make a good point. But if I was to go to heaven I would want to be with my loved ones, who I don't find particularly annoying. Not with perfectly nice but annoying well-wishers/acquaintances

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nocoolnamesleft · 29/11/2023 21:54

I believe there is some form of something after death. Partly faith, and partly because sometimes when you are in the room with someone who has just died it feels like a room with someone else there, and sometimes it is an empty room. So I feel that is whether the spirit/soul has moved on yet.

SethSaysNowt · 29/11/2023 21:55

Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 21:51

I'm always fascinated by those who shut it down straight away without any discussion, comparison to believing in the tooth fairy bla bla bla.. I find it so odd that they say there is nothing, blackness... and they are ok with that!

I wonder if it’s fear?
I also think some people pride themselves on being very logical and needing evidence for everything, which, if it works for them it works for them.
My life is always better when I have faith in something, and whilst I’m generally logical, what is logical to me isn’t necessarily to others.
I suppose this is what life is all about - different beliefs and different experiences.

elliejjtiny · 29/11/2023 21:57

I think we are all equal in heaven. Although I would like to think we all recognise each other in heaven and dh and I would live together with the dc and their families just up the road. I would have thought that we just float around, blissfully happy but not actually having partners or kids. Tbh as long as there is no laundry I don't mind! My ds2 when he was about 9 drew a picture of what he thought heaven would be like at school. He drew a big building with lots of Windows and labelled it "the 1 million storey hotel". Then he drew a man with a beard floating just above it and a load of restaurants/takeaways in a row on one side and a soft play, swimming pool and a park on the other side. Ds2 is 15 now and I've still got that picture somewhere.

Ace56 · 29/11/2023 21:58

Did you start another thread recently about heaven too? Or is there just an influx of heaven talk on MN atm…

It can work however you want it to work, OP. No one has the answers.

Andarna · 29/11/2023 21:59

Most churches say that you're married until death does you part. So you're not married anymore once you're dead. So it doesn't matter how many spouses you had on earth (looking at you Elizabeth Taylor).

SethSaysNowt · 29/11/2023 22:00

Something that crops up again and again in NDE cases is that there are soul groups, we come back again and again with the same souls with different lessons to learn.

Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 22:00

Ace56 · 29/11/2023 21:58

Did you start another thread recently about heaven too? Or is there just an influx of heaven talk on MN atm…

It can work however you want it to work, OP. No one has the answers.

Lol. Wasn't me.

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Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 22:01

elliejjtiny · 29/11/2023 21:57

I think we are all equal in heaven. Although I would like to think we all recognise each other in heaven and dh and I would live together with the dc and their families just up the road. I would have thought that we just float around, blissfully happy but not actually having partners or kids. Tbh as long as there is no laundry I don't mind! My ds2 when he was about 9 drew a picture of what he thought heaven would be like at school. He drew a big building with lots of Windows and labelled it "the 1 million storey hotel". Then he drew a man with a beard floating just above it and a load of restaurants/takeaways in a row on one side and a soft play, swimming pool and a park on the other side. Ds2 is 15 now and I've still got that picture somewhere.

That's adorable. And how creative!

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sammyjoanne · 29/11/2023 22:02

Theres like 3 opinions. 1) You dont belive in the afterlife and once your dead you are dead. 2)You have the religious belief and go by what the sacred books and religeous people say at sermons etc. Or 3) is you believe in the afterlife, but is not religeous and you come to your own conclusions as to what the afterlife should be.

If you are of the latter, then if you think about it, its not a physical body. Theres no sleeping, eating, and certainly no sex. Like, in the physical world, when you love 1 child, 2 child, 3 child etc. Theres enough love for all 3 so I would think this is similar of first and second hubby but obviously not in a parent way lol. You love them for their individuality and personality; and they are not one and the same person and should not be treated as such.

To the part where you said if you did not find love in your life, I think the big question when you passed over would be was you happy when you was alive? if you were happy being in your own company thats great, and if that wants to carry over in the spirit world, so be it. But Id like to think it can also be changed to meet like minded souls should you need the company and form relations that way. Being on my own in eternity would probably do my nut in.

Then theres the title, are we all equal in heaven? Id like to think not. Id certainly would not to be on the same sort of spirit plane or level where Id have to face someone who abused some of my other family members so no, Id like to think they are somewhere else where they cant have access to us.

As to all the above, thats just my opinion on what id like 'to think' it would be like. its not fact so its a question that cannot really be answered until when the time comes.

HappySammy · 29/11/2023 22:10

Maybe it depends on the people. The only person I know to have remarried after widowhood is my DFIL. I met my DH after he lost his mum. from what I've heard, she'd be the type to welcome FIL's new wife with open arms. Similarly, DFIL's wife would welcome her equally. They still have photos of my DH's mum up on the walls of their house and DFIL wears his wedding ring from DH's mum on his right hand as well as the ring from his new wife on his left hand. I call her the new wife but they've been happily together for 10 years. There's never been a sense of competitiveness between the two.

ssd · 29/11/2023 22:10

We are all equal in heaven but some get better seats than others...

KMM87 · 29/11/2023 22:13

Have you read the book 'The afterlife is real'

100% recommend! Absolutely fascinating.

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 29/11/2023 22:17

Guesswho88 · 29/11/2023 21:15

I was thinking about those that have never found love or who have loved and lost. And those that have lost a spouse who has passed away but have gone on to remarry - what happens when the person who has remarried dies and is reunited with former spouse? And then the other spouse dies as well. How does it go down?

In Islam we believe there are seven levels of heaven.

You are reunited with your spouse - but with both of you in your most beautiful forms for each other.

Those who don’t have a straightforward situation of one spouse etc will also have someone.

You will not be alone, you will be amongst those you love.

Savagecabbage101 · 29/11/2023 22:23

I think things that bother us in the physical world, won’t bother us when we reemerge to non physical and our perspective will be totally different. But heaven is a man made idea…I think we become part of a collective conscious when we die.

Boomboom22 · 29/11/2023 22:27

Blackness makes more sense unless you think god really did make humans different from other animals. We know how we came about through evolution. So it's just the clock maker again, circular argument who made god conscious then? Nde's can be explained because you didn't actually fully die even when medically dead so your mind creates expectations.

Boomboom22 · 29/11/2023 22:28

Or mini pie's idea is good.
Def no sex, its only allowed for procreation. More like heaven in good omens!

Bonjovispjs · 29/11/2023 22:33

Flandango · 29/11/2023 21:50

I went to Heaven once. It was 2 for 1 shots all night and they played classic 80s cheesey tunes. Loved it

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