Page 17 | Really regretting getting the Covid jab (warning pity party)

FlemCandango · 2023-11-29T12:27:28+00:00

I had my COVID vaccination on Saturday. I have had all the available boosters since lockdown as I have had some health issues that put me in a "slightly vulnerable to COVID" category. Went to local chemist had the jab and a charity shop mooch, then came home all fine. 10-12 hours later I start feeling ropey. I know I might be in for a rough night as I have been known to react badly. So I had violent chills, followed by feverishness, crazy fever dreams, headache untouched by paracetamol, couldn't get out of bed for a wee without help, joint pain, nausea, loss of appetite ... This went on for 24 hours. I was still a wreck on Monday, so day off work, Tuesday tired but felt better and felt normal by the evening. I expected to be back at work today. Then in the middle of the night, chills again I was shivering violently, headache returned plus sore throat and a cough. Most likely an opportunistic virus 🦠 but I am wondering why I put myself through all this🙄 Not sure if the net benefit outweighs the massively inconvenient time off work and feeling like shit-ness of it all. I will think hard before taking the next booster if offered. I have the flu jab every year - never any issues with that one.

TooOldForThisNonsense · 03/12/2023 01:02

So if it was an opportunistic virus then it’s not the jab is it?

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/12/2023 01:05

CouchCat · 03/12/2023 00:26

@Jumpingthruhoops

The VAERS/Yellow Card Scheme is where people - civilians and doctors - are told to detail vax side effects and injuries. However, it's thought that only 10% of all 'events' are recorded. So be mindful of that when you look.

VAERS/Yellow Card data - particularly VAERS - cannot really be relied upon for accurate data for the above reasons. Anyone can report anything. I could report a sore finger after a vaccination and it would count towards the figures. I doubt the 10% number above - anti-vax groups actively work together to fudge the figures.

Then there are papers from the official govt.uk website. These would be somewhat 'quietly' released throughout the pandemic, so not really available to the public but various scientists, medics, statisticians would share the links to these papers on Instagram, which is how I saw them.

I don't know what you mean by "quietly released" - I don't even live in the UK and I read them as they were released.

Various cardiologists shared the Pfi3er data as each drop was released, which made very interesting reading. To be clear, this isn't 'comment' from them, it's a link to the actual information, so readers can check it out for themselves.

I love how you spell Pfizer "Pfi3er". That's a classic anti-vax group technique to avoid banning. They also call vaccinations 'cupcakes' for the same reason - ie. "We don't believe in cupcakes in this household".

Ohh.... so I reply to someone (who asked politely) outlining my sources and they're STILL not to your liking. What a surprise!! 🙄

Not anti-vax at all, simply to avoid censorship, as I explained. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by 'cupcakes'. Seems you've ventured into conspiracy land a lot deeper than I have...

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/12/2023 01:09

Cornettoninja · 02/12/2023 16:06

Is offering a hollow defence helpful to anyone? You may as well have just posted ‘thoughts and prayers’.

Can’t say you’ve set yourself up as a white knight particularly effectively. It’s impressive that you’ve convinced yourself though.

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Is there any need to be this bitchy? What exactly have I done to you?

'White knight'? 'Convinced myself'? Seriously, get a life!

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/12/2023 01:18

Cornettoninja · 02/12/2023 13:14

Well you’re reading posts very differently to others then.

fyi if you’re going to trot out lines like ‘The reactions to my posts tell me that people are unable to think for themselves’ you’re pretty much telling anyone that you are following the script of conspiracy. It’s a contradictory one at best anyway, because it’s often used with people who just don’t agree with them, so targeted at people that don’t think like you specifically.

Inquiring after further information is not a sign of someone ‘not thinking for themselves’. It’s showing an interest in something you are aware you don’t know much about.

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Then your idea of 'showing an interest' is WILDLY different to mine. Showing an interest would be saying something like:

'I really wasn't aware of that at all. Really interested to learn more. Where could I go to look into this?'

It is not: 'Nothing's been hidden', 'prove it', 'where is your evidence'? etc, etc...
The first person who asked politely - out of genuine interest - I was only too happy to help. Funny that.

JustTalkToThem · 03/12/2023 01:20

You, me, no one can possibly say factually the vaccine reduced the severity. I had no vaccines and covid was mild. Many others in the same situation.

British Medical Journal begs to differ:

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/12/2023 01:23

sunglassesonthetable · 02/12/2023 13:21

The reactions to my posts tell me that people are unable to think for themselves.

Oh please get down from your high horse.

I'm not very interested in 'special information' because we can't discuss what we don't know. You sitting up on high because "other people can't think for themselves" are about at the level of your other answers. And one that has endlessly been churned out on SM.

Yep lots and lots of people "can think for themselves".Not just you. 😄
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This thread is about the vax injured - I'm frankly amazed that people have seen fit to use this thread to remind people how 'wonderful' the jab is. At best these posts are tone deaf - at worst they're downright bloody offensive.*

No this thread is about people's reaction to the vaccination. Read the OP.

And who exactly has said how 'wonderful ! the jab is? People have come out pro, just as you have come out against.

Please stop schooling everybody on etiquette, being offensive , or how life works just because it suits your argument.

Reactions, injuries... people have been talking about both.

Love how I'm the bad guy. 😂😂 Is someone projecting, I wonder? 🤔

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/12/2023 01:37

spuddel · 03/12/2023 00:09

Well you guess wrong. My dad developed eczema all over so badly he is now on steroids, days after his Moderna (previous three we pfizer). He tears his skin off, is bandaged, can't sleep and the only thing he loved for exercise was golf and is now not fit for it. It's utter and total misery and yes, it's been attributed to the vaccine by dermatology.

You, me, no one can possibly say factually the vaccine reduced the severity. I had no vaccines and covid was mild. Many others in the same situation.

That was exactly my experience too. 10 of us in our circle had it in the same week. Of all of those, I had the mildest symptoms.

I know others who have had every covid vax/booster offered, have had covid multiple times since and, by their own admission, it's 'floored them' each time.

spuddel · 03/12/2023 01:39

Really @JustTalkToThem ? Do you have something I could read? I've never read any evidence for this because it's sort of like trying to prove a negative. How can we possibly know how severe someone will react to a virus they've not yet had?

spuddel · 03/12/2023 01:42

Ah I see you edited out the link to the BMJ paper that was about vaccines reducing severity of long covid. Not quite what I was talking about.

CouchCat · 03/12/2023 02:27

@Jumpingthruhoops

Ohh.... so I reply to someone (who asked politely) outlining my sources and they're STILL not to your liking. What a surprise!! 🙄

Not anti-vax at all, simply to avoid censorship, as I explained. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by 'cupcakes'. Seems you've ventured into conspiracy land a lot deeper than I have...

Do I have to like them? I do have I doubts about the VAERS/Yellow Card data, as do you. As for the Gov.UK sources, I simply said that I had read them. I explained the meaning of 'cupcakes' in this context.

PhoneChargerCable · 03/12/2023 02:33

Why on Earth would you need a booster if you just had covid itself?!

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 03/12/2023 03:59

The yellow card scheme is under-reported to for EVERYTHING though. Read “Bad Science” by Ben Goldacre or particularly his other book about drugs which unfortunately have blanked on. In loads of ways, drug trials are often flawed - too short, no follow-up and when the drug gets released into the world, often people are unaware they need to report symptoms to their doctors and are also busy having a life, so nothing gets reported unless it’s catastrophic. Example: I’m a youngish woman on omeprazole. Was told it’s the “safest drug in the world” when I was put on it. It’s now been eleven or so years and the same drug has caused a worsening of my osteoporosis, multiple heart arrhythmias and every time I try to come off it I end up with severe rebound reflux and horrible vomiting that often lands me in hospital. There has been a paper recently about the long-term effects of the drug which proves there are many more detriments. Antihistamines too: sold like sweeties but long-term use can give to dementia.
It’s a cost-benefit analysis as to whether an individual takes anything, including a vaccine. In a case like Covid though, there’s also a societal dimension. When I studied clinical negligence and later other forms of medical law at uni, we were taught there is a sort of unavoidable failure rate for all procedures. So (making this up as an example) say 3% of emergency c-section patients have perforated bladders no matter how careful and skilled the surgeon is, or 1% of people who take penicillin will have an anaphylactic reaction to it without a family history. I’d bet a small but significant percentage of the people inoculated by Edward Jenner et al with cowpox had a severe reaction and died - given that it was an actual process of infection I’m sure it was universally uncomfortable as well, like parents trying to infect their children at chicken pox parties when I was younger (while writing this, I remembered I’ve never had chicken pox because the vaccine for that was mandatory at my US school). But as well as wondering whether you can be bothered to get a vaccine that will make you feel ill for a couple of days and Covid was fine for you - particularly on this thread I’m noticing that there isn’t much mention of chronology when people are saying “I felt so ill when I had the vaccine. When I got Covid it was fine” and never saying which one came first - you also need to consider that it’s a pandemic. It probably felt shit having cowpox. But smallpox was eradicated. We probably can’t eradicate Covid at this point but we can reduce the levels and severity of the illness. No vaccine is perfect. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, though.

LuvSmallDogs · 03/12/2023 04:06

I had the two jabs and then a booster, had a worse reaction each time so thought "fuck it" and stopped getting them.

sunglassesonthetable · 03/12/2023 04:49

*Is there any need to be this bitchy? What exactly have I done to you?

'White knight'? 'Convinced myself'? Seriously, get a life!*

Well you did say people here couldn't think for themselves.

Or were deluded.

So yeah probably.

everybluesock · 03/12/2023 04:52

I've had a bad reaction to the vaccine before. Felt properly awful for about a week after and it ruined my Christmas. My twin had it a few weeks before me and also has terrible side effects that also lasted a week.
I've since had covid 3 times. It floored me on one occasion (ill for two weeks) but the other two times I hardly noticed.

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So called factual evidence provided by John Campbell has been consistently disproven as not being accurate. He has spread misinformation and tries to make unfounded claims sound convincing. He’s a retired nurse not a virologist.

It’s similar to the claims about the excess deaths - yes, in some countries they are higher but the increase in deaths is amongst the unvaccinated population.

EasternStandard · 03/12/2023 07:37

Jumpingthruhoops · 02/12/2023 16:07

That's exactly it. Thanks for such rational posts. And for understanding mine.

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No worries. There seems to be some strong reactions, which is a pity because pp can disagree without all the extra digs imo

@Parker231 has done so with the pp, can I ask where the info on excess deaths vaccination status comes from? Not disputing just out of interest

Universalsnail · 03/12/2023 08:26

The COVID jab gave me long covid and neurological problems and essentially "ruined" my life as I am now chronically ill. There are studies coming out now in respected journals about instances of long Covid from the vaccine.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 03/12/2023 08:49

Universalsnail · 03/12/2023 08:26

The COVID jab gave me long covid and neurological problems and essentially "ruined" my life as I am now chronically ill. There are studies coming out now in respected journals about instances of long Covid from the vaccine.

This is what happened to me. I take heart from the Harvard and Yale research. It’s also what happened to Brianna Dresen who was dropped from the AZ trial when it happened.

Make sure you apply for PiP, apply for VDPS, and register the issues on the vax company websites.

l feel for you.

Divinespark · 03/12/2023 09:16

Its the only vaccine I've ever known in my 50 years where everyone know someone in real life who has been badly affected by it, and in some sad cases fatal. Truly the most undertested, awful vaccine ever.

spuddel · 03/12/2023 11:19

while writing this, I remembered I’ve never had chicken pox because the vaccine for that was mandatory at my US school @CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau yes and that was a sterilising vaccine that did what we expect vaccines to do, prevent disease. These covid vaccines do not prevent infection
(despite Pfizer obtaining EUA to prevent covid) and currently a very high percentage of the UK is vaccinated yet excess deaths are way above normal still. And there is absolutely no data on ONS about the vaccine status of those deaths.

IClaudine · 03/12/2023 11:37

spuddel · 03/12/2023 11:19

while writing this, I remembered I’ve never had chicken pox because the vaccine for that was mandatory at my US school @CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau yes and that was a sterilising vaccine that did what we expect vaccines to do, prevent disease. These covid vaccines do not prevent infection
(despite Pfizer obtaining EUA to prevent covid) and currently a very high percentage of the UK is vaccinated yet excess deaths are way above normal still. And there is absolutely no data on ONS about the vaccine status of those deaths.

ONS does publish data on deaths by vaccination status.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

Cornettoninja · 03/12/2023 12:21

Jumpingthruhoops · 03/12/2023 01:09

Is there any need to be this bitchy? What exactly have I done to you?

'White knight'? 'Convinced myself'? Seriously, get a life!

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Oh please. This is the same thread you have chucked around insults about people’s capacity to understand, think and declared they need their ‘heads examined’. You just didn’t like it when other posters didn’t agree with your assessment of the OFCOM guidance and questioned how you were using sets of data. I think you’re more than capable of dealing with a fraction of the same thing you’ve been dishing out.

And yes I do dispute your claim you’re here to ‘help’ the vaccine injured. You’re using the claim that you’re only out to help people, sick and injured people, to shut down any questioning on your interpretation of the subject.

You’re hardly objective if you can’t even begin to discuss or counter an opposing view point without resorting to insults like you have clearly done calling into question people’s capacity and intellect.

The first person who asked politely - out of genuine interest - I was only too happy to help. Funny that.

it’s not funny in the slightest really is it? Your arbitrary interpretations of what is or isn’t polite aren’t absolute on a forum and you’re not here to moderate communication. I’m sure you’re aware because you’re not stupid, that reader projected tones not intended by the writer is a common issue in written communication, yet you are so determined to continue a derail (despite being here to ‘help’) that you’re happy to misuse others contributions as personal insults when you’ve had many, many opportunities to move the conversation on instead of making a large portion of the thread about you personally.

sunglassesonthetable · 03/12/2023 13:07

Its the only vaccine I've ever known in my 50 years where everyone know someone in real life who has been badly affected by it, and in some sad cases fatal. Truly the most undertested, awful vaccine ever.

No I don't know anyone in real life who has been affected by it or even heard of anyone.From that I'd take it most people I know, don't know anyone.

I am a working person with a child at school,so a wide -ish circle of acquaintances.

So in that respect your statement is entirely wrong.

This is all anecdotal of course. Only proper stats can verify your 'claim'.