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M and S charging for carriers

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Sausagenbacon · 27/11/2023 17:28

AIBU to find it cheeky of m&s to charge 10p for a paper carrier bag when I've just spent £50 on a dress? Especially as I got caught in the rain and it disintegrated.
I can understand why you would charge for a plastic bag, but this is ridiculous.

OP posts:
waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:42

SwordToFlamethrower · 28/11/2023 00:31

If shops wanted to reduce plastic, they'd stop wrapping and tagging everything in it before selling it to us. They don't care. They're just happy to scam extra pennies from us. Vile

Agreed tbh, the policies that are to help the environment mean extra costs to the end user and do absolutely nothing to tackle the major causes like other countries.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 07:43

waitingforittogetbetter · 28/11/2023 07:28

Funnily enough no, not everyone has a bag on them and no, not everyone has time, ability or inclination to go litter picking

No excuses for litter picking. A quick 2 min job round your local area can make a difference.
(I know this thread isn't about litter picking but honestly there is no excuse)

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 07:44

Sausagenbacon · 28/11/2023 07:40

I always take bags when I go food shopping but, as a poster pointed out above, when I've bought a nice dress, there's no way I want to put it in a bag that I've used before.
And, tbh, m&s is full of sparkly, sequiny shit ATM, that'll be in landfill within a year. So I don't believe they're that bothered about the environment.

I manage to put my clothes in bags I've used before.

megletthesecond · 28/11/2023 07:44

I'll bang on about litter picking until the end of time 😁.

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:46

@Mademetoxic so what about people who have disabilities, work multiple jobs?

I think your comment is sanctimonious, there are lots of reasons why people can't or don't want to litter pick.

It used to be the responsibility of local councils I don't see why unless as an individual has actively caused the litter or it's causing a danger at that specific moment why anyone should have to clear it themselves

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:47

megletthesecond · 28/11/2023 07:44

I'll bang on about litter picking until the end of time 😁.

That's great for you but it's extremely entitled to expect other people to think the same, we're all individuals

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 07:48

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:47

That's great for you but it's extremely entitled to expect other people to think the same, we're all individuals

If everyone picked up litter when they're out and about, the world would look like a completely different place.

Entitled, I've never heard that before about litter picking.
🤣
Don't you want your area to look litter free?

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 07:49

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:46

@Mademetoxic so what about people who have disabilities, work multiple jobs?

I think your comment is sanctimonious, there are lots of reasons why people can't or don't want to litter pick.

It used to be the responsibility of local councils I don't see why unless as an individual has actively caused the litter or it's causing a danger at that specific moment why anyone should have to clear it themselves

So is it so hard to pick up a random plastic bottle and put it in the recycle bin?
Have you heard about a litter picker grabber?

Entitled. 🤣 What the hell haha.

Diamonde · 28/11/2023 07:50

KimberleyClark · 27/11/2023 23:14

I have had a customer tell me outright he doesn't care about the planet as he won't be here to see it ( did want to ask if he had no kids or grandkids but refained )

Glad you did. Whether or not someone has kids/grandkids has no bearing on whether they care for the environment. In fact having children is the worst thing you can do environmentally.

I have much more respect for someone with three children who does everything they can to change their lifestyle and reduce waste

Compared to people like this man

There's also nothing wrong with having children. People don't have to live in perpetual misery for the sake of the Ty a DVD it doesn't make them hypocritical to not martyr themselves. Just don't have 6 kids.

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:54

I don't have any intention of picking up random rubbish I haven't caused. I don't have time or inclination. Yes, I think it's extremely entitled to think everyone has the same attitude to litter picking, they obviously don't. I don't think it's anything to do with me to be responsible to clear up after others. If it's on anyone, it's the person who caused it and the council. However, if you want to do it for others, crack on with it.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 07:56

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:54

I don't have any intention of picking up random rubbish I haven't caused. I don't have time or inclination. Yes, I think it's extremely entitled to think everyone has the same attitude to litter picking, they obviously don't. I don't think it's anything to do with me to be responsible to clear up after others. If it's on anyone, it's the person who caused it and the council. However, if you want to do it for others, crack on with it.

I've never heard someone say about picking up litter is entitled.
What is the world coming to when people refuse to make the world look slightly better.

If everyone had your attitude then the local areas would look horrendous.

It is a 2 min job with a litter picker. No excuses.

Every little helps.

UnremarkableBeasts · 28/11/2023 07:56

megletthesecond · 28/11/2023 07:26

Doesn't everyone always have a bag on them? It's pretty basic; keys, phone, purse, water, reusable bag etc.

If you have too many bags go litter picking and reduce your stash a bit. Even the useless paper bags will hold some litter.

That’s still quite a list of things to check you always have on you: bag containing keys, phone, purse, water, reusable bag and etc (because there’s still more that you’re expected to cart around all the time just in case).

But people like you have already decided that because this is easy for you, it is simply easy for everyone. There are several reasons that it just isn’t.

You probably don’t want to think about it but it’s also incredibly gendered. Women are expected to always carry around a bloody bag that contains all sorts of just-in-case stuff to meet everyone’s needs. Men don’t. They’re much less likely to be stuffing plastic bags in every coat pocket than they are to be complaining ‘why didn’t we bring any bags?’ in the supermarket if their wife has forgotten them.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 08:00

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 07:54

I don't have any intention of picking up random rubbish I haven't caused. I don't have time or inclination. Yes, I think it's extremely entitled to think everyone has the same attitude to litter picking, they obviously don't. I don't think it's anything to do with me to be responsible to clear up after others. If it's on anyone, it's the person who caused it and the council. However, if you want to do it for others, crack on with it.

I hope your children don't have your entitled, snooty, selfish attitude.
Every little bit can make a difference.

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 08:03

@Mademetoxic did you actually buy a litter picker to do this? Fair enough if you think that makes you a superior individual. I think it's entitled and not taking into account other people's life circumstances.

NerrSnerr · 28/11/2023 08:05

madeinmanc · 27/11/2023 18:08

It penalises people using public transport because we can't "put our shopping loose in the boot" or "keep a fabric tote in the car".

You can carry a tote in your pocket or in a small handbag. It's doesn't penalise anyone.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 08:05

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 08:03

@Mademetoxic did you actually buy a litter picker to do this? Fair enough if you think that makes you a superior individual. I think it's entitled and not taking into account other people's life circumstances.

Life circumstances? It's a 2 min job for god's sake in your local area.

Your attitude is extremely selfish and strange. You sound so entitled.

God help the future generations if this is how people think.
There will be no planet or animals left for them.

CharityShopChic · 28/11/2023 08:09

kittensinthekitchen · 27/11/2023 23:32

I love fucking hate that posters have come on and posted that in both Northern Ireland and Scotland, paper bags are also charged for, and referred to this being covered in law and yet other posts are STILL fucking coming on saying 'It's not UK law' because it doesn't apply in fucking ENGLAND.

Get your head out of your arses.

Agree!!

I wasn't aware that paper bags in England weren't charged for because here they are. Unless you are buying food to eat immediately - things like a Gregg's doughnut is put into a paper bag and they don't charge for that, and my local Indian deli gives you a free paper carrier. I'm sure there re different rules in N Ireland and Wales too.

I can't believe anyone is defending their "right" to single use bags of any type. Single use plastic carrier use is down 98% since the introduction of the charges across the UK. That is a good thing, don't know if people have short memories but it used to be so common to see plastic carriers blowing around the street and caught in hedges. That is a positive change which makes the UK a nicer place to live and keeps the country tidy, as well as minimising damage to wildlife.

When you're going shopping for clothes it takes a second to put a bag like the one in the pic in your pocket. Not heavy, not bulky. Can be washed in the machine if you're an "ewww germs" person. Lasts for years and years.

M and S charging for carriers
waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 08:12

@Mademetoxic you genuinely can't envisage why they're might be circumstances where people just aren't able? Just demonstrates total lack of empathy

bombastix · 28/11/2023 08:13

50 quid and you begrudge 10 pence?

Yes, you are unreasonable.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 08:16

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 08:12

@Mademetoxic you genuinely can't envisage why they're might be circumstances where people just aren't able? Just demonstrates total lack of empathy

You sound entitled and strange.

Can't believe people don't want to make their own area looking a bit nicer for the wildlife and people surrounding it.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 08:18

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 08:12

@Mademetoxic you genuinely can't envisage why they're might be circumstances where people just aren't able? Just demonstrates total lack of empathy

There are litter pickers available. Don't even need to bend down.

I have never heard anyone say it is entitled to pick up litter. Except on this thread.
What is this world coming to.

A 2 min job. No excuses.

Zanatdy · 28/11/2023 08:19

I said the same last week, it was peeing down and I had to carry it from the bottom as no way would it have held the candle and biscuit tin I purchased.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 08:27

waytooearlyforthis · 28/11/2023 08:12

@Mademetoxic you genuinely can't envisage why they're might be circumstances where people just aren't able? Just demonstrates total lack of empathy

From your pp you make it sound like you can't be bothered. You don't have the time or inclination were your exact words.

Said people are entitled. I think your attitude is entitled and strange. Never have I heard someone say it's entitled to pick up litter. This thread is crazy.

Vriddle · 28/11/2023 08:34

Shops should charge for every type of single-use bag, plastic or paper. And they should charge more than they do. If the charge for a paper bag was £1, you would quickly discover that carrying your own cloth bag with you at all times is no bother.

I don't have a car and use public transport. I have a light, strong cotton bag tucked into my tiny handbag that has lasted for 7 years and holds a 4pint of milk, no problem. It washes up great, so it's fine to hold clothes too.

I also think supermarkets should not sell plastic 'bags for life' - they should be made of nonplastic materials and they should cost enough to deter people buying endless bags-for-life because they cannot be arsed to carry bags with them.

So your options would be: carry a bag with you, or pay ££ for a new cotton/sisal/silk etc bag.

Even cloth bags have consequences for the environment, so own only as many as you need and repair when possible to extend their life.

Mademetoxic · 28/11/2023 08:38

Vriddle · 28/11/2023 08:34

Shops should charge for every type of single-use bag, plastic or paper. And they should charge more than they do. If the charge for a paper bag was £1, you would quickly discover that carrying your own cloth bag with you at all times is no bother.

I don't have a car and use public transport. I have a light, strong cotton bag tucked into my tiny handbag that has lasted for 7 years and holds a 4pint of milk, no problem. It washes up great, so it's fine to hold clothes too.

I also think supermarkets should not sell plastic 'bags for life' - they should be made of nonplastic materials and they should cost enough to deter people buying endless bags-for-life because they cannot be arsed to carry bags with them.

So your options would be: carry a bag with you, or pay ££ for a new cotton/sisal/silk etc bag.

Even cloth bags have consequences for the environment, so own only as many as you need and repair when possible to extend their life.

Exactly.

Even cashiers say 'do you need a bag' when it's quite obvious you don't need one or have your own bags with you.

I've had a cloth bag I've had from Tesco for about 8 years. It's for a few tiny holes in it, but perfectly functional for everyday use.

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