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To not replace car seat after hitting a pheasant at 38 mph?

145 replies

Hhhapp17 · 24/11/2023 11:34

Guidance says any accident above 20mph means you must replace the car seat. Is it this same in this situation? Don’t really want to pay out again for another one.

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Whiteday · 25/11/2023 22:10

AkitaAtHome · 25/11/2023 20:25

There could be hidden cracks or weakened areas, please replace, used to work in insurance and isn't worth the risk when your kids life depends on car seat working correctly.

What makes you an authority on car seats, working in insurance doesn't.

BertieBotts · 25/11/2023 22:22

I would guess working in insurance that poster will be aware of crashes where unfortunately children have died or been injured and any subsequent investigation.

Whiteday · 25/11/2023 22:24

BertieBotts · 25/11/2023 22:22

I would guess working in insurance that poster will be aware of crashes where unfortunately children have died or been injured and any subsequent investigation.

And how many do you think were caused by a car seat involved with hitting a pheasant?

Lavender14 · 25/11/2023 22:25

Pheasant or Ostrich? This is important.

JRM17 · 25/11/2023 22:26

You've spelt it wrong it's E.L.E.P.H.A.N.T. Oh right no sorry you hit a bird. FFS no you do not need to buy a new car seat.

cakeorwine · 25/11/2023 22:27

BertieBotts · 25/11/2023 22:22

I would guess working in insurance that poster will be aware of crashes where unfortunately children have died or been injured and any subsequent investigation.

I am really struggling to see how hitting a pheasant at 38mph can affect a child's car seat.

If the car stopped suddenly, then I can see that there could be an effect. Braking force, some stress on the connections etc.

But a heavy car travelling at 38mph versus a pheasant.

What physics is going on?

cakeorwine · 25/11/2023 22:28

Is it even an accident?

Cas112 · 25/11/2023 22:33

Car seats have shock absorbers so unless you are sure that the structural integrity hasn't been damaged you should replace.

BertieBotts · 25/11/2023 23:13

I am totally in agreement that the car seat doesn't need replacing after hitting a pheasant, don't know why you're both replying as though I am not!

I was just answering the question of why someone working in insurance might feel particularly cautious/strongly about car seat safety.

Also, some replies have got muddled between the concept of replacing the seat after a very minor bump like a pheasant and the concept of replacing the seat after an accident at all, Akita might have been referring to the latter scenario rather than the bird one.

lochmaree · 25/11/2023 23:15

Cas112 · 25/11/2023 22:33

Car seats have shock absorbers so unless you are sure that the structural integrity hasn't been damaged you should replace.

but you can't really ever be sure of that unless you replace it after every journey. the guidance someone posted above says what a minor incident is, and in which case the car seat doesn't need replaced, and it wasn't even close to being a minor incident. as per various pp, how small an item would you hit before you would say ok I don't need to replace the car seat. if you hit a pheasant you have to replace it, but a sparrow you don't?

LowLevelGrumpMostly · 25/11/2023 23:45

JanglingJack · 24/11/2023 12:45

Christmas dinner sorted.

Nope! As she killed it picking it up to eat would technically be poaching! The certain community round our rural area drive round a certain few roads in pairs - first car hits them, following picks up as road kill. They then sell them at the farmers market to the second home folk. They drive up and down one particular good stretch when weather and light perfect and get dozens of the dumb things.

Swanfeet · 26/11/2023 00:25

This is a joke question though, surely?! 😆

user1477391263 · 26/11/2023 00:38

Cas112 · 25/11/2023 22:33

Car seats have shock absorbers so unless you are sure that the structural integrity hasn't been damaged you should replace.

I think people should basically use car seats and use them basically correctly; they have saved lives.

Myopic focus on the tiniest minutiae of car seat usage is weird and inconsistent because we are talking about the most minuscule risks which are being massively outweighed by other things.

There’s all the additional risk that is incurred when people choose to live in locations that require shitloads of driving (esp along dangerous, bendy rural roads), enroll their kids in extra curriculars that will require lots of driving (including at night when everyone’s tired), choose schools which are a distance away. All these things substantially increase the odds your child will die in a car accident, yet they never get commented on from a safety point of view.

I don’t mean that we necessarily “should” be judging or criticizing these things, either, just that the excessive focus among some parents on every last tiny detail of “basically perfectly fine car seats” while ignoring everything else comes across as excessive.

Don’t even get me started on the driving/sleep deprivation nexus. Every parent I know who lives in a car dependent location has wound up driving cars while significantly sleep deprived at times, with their child in the back. In terms of impact on driver safety, this is apparently similar to driving after having several drinks. Technically, we could avoid this by choosing to live on a bus route/within calling distance of a taxi, to substitute on days when our driving ability is poor due to having been woken up several times by the toddler last night. Nobody discusses this, though. We just micro-fuss about extremely minor car seat details.

The broader point I am making here is that nobody is perfect from a safety perspective, and some sense of balance is needed here. I don’t think the OP needs to replace her (no doubt properly made and properly installed) car seat because a bird hit the car.

LowLevelGrumpMostly · 26/11/2023 00:48

Totally if the pheasant stopped the car the change in momentum and force would be less than hitting a ford fiesta at 1 mph 🤣a bumper bash unlikely to leave damage

BertieBotts · 26/11/2023 06:47

@user1477391263 spot on.

A lot of focus on miniscule details of car seat usage when really what matters is choosing one that is the appropriate stage/height/weight range for your child and reading the instructions and using it properly.

And then yes a wider awareness of safety rather than focusing on the car seat like a magic talisman.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 26/11/2023 07:23

Deer are a hazard where I live, they live in the woods in the middle of two A roads, so whichever A road you take there’s always the possibility of coming across a deer or two, They are massive up close. I try to avoid going out early mornings before 6/7 am if possible, they take advantage of the quieter roads up to then and canter back and forth to get to a steam on the other side of one of the roads. Once traffic starts to build up they stay hidden but a young one will defy its parents and bolt out like a stripy teenager.

lochmaree · 26/11/2023 07:51

@user1477391263 yes such a good explanation!

smilesup · 26/11/2023 07:53

ThePineapplePrincess · 24/11/2023 11:38

YABU. Of course you need to replace it Confused

I think you might be the silly one.

Tinysoxxx · 26/11/2023 10:43

There’s all the additional risk that is incurred when people choose to live in locations that require shitloads of driving (esp along dangerous, bendy rural roads), enroll their kids in extra curriculars that will require lots of driving (including at night when everyone’s tired), choose schools which are a distance away. All these things substantially increase the odds your child will die in a car accident, yet they never get commented on from a safety point of view.

@user1477391263 agreed with the comment above. Although I would state the certainty of the above plus the fact of children (particularly boys) driving themselves to school at sixth form on these roads. And the two or three years thereafter. Especially if their parents give them a powerful car. And they have their friends in the car too. And there’s alcohol involved - even if the driver isn’t over the limit.

I know of 4 people (3 different accidents) that died and two permanently injured in our local area of my DC age. It’s horrible knowing it will happen again.

Glarptip · 26/11/2023 15:46

cakeorwine · 25/11/2023 22:28

Is it even an accident?

You could be on to something.

It wasn't an accident if it was... murder!

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