To think Europen governments need to respond to immigration?

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So the Netherlands is going to have a far right government.
Sweden has moved to the right.
Finland has shut its borders.
Countries that have traditionally been liberal are hardening and irrespective of the many issues listed its to do with immigration.

Ireland has seen violent protests last night following a series of stabbings.
In the UK we obviously had Brexit.

I think governments need to start responding to voters feelings on immigration as if they don't we will continue to see a general slide to the right in Europe, when actually these countries aren't right wing: it feels like a single issue is distorting the entire political landscape?

And when this happens all the pro immigration people say "well of COURSE the immigrant people want to speak their own language and buy the food they're used to and celebrate their own religions and cultural things! Its important and essential they do this to keep their culture alive!"

And say the exact opposite when it is British people doing so in another country, then it is all Those awful British/English won't integrate, want to speak their own language, want to buy food they are used to, etc, etc.

It's certainly price difficult being like 2nd most expensive on application😶
lIT est is a pita, but B1 English is laughable tbf

Let's give up on turning back boats; the Channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, the UK would be breaking international law and it's likely people would die even if the Border Force agreed to it (which I think they would not and have already said no).

We already know that Rwanda is hopeless; a third country deemed safe (ironically Albania seems likely) may be lawful.

You only need a safe country, which isn’t too appealing

It’s not that hard

We do. We had British in area I lived and it was frowned upon vocally when they learned absolutely nothing. Even "Hi can I have one beer please" is a good start. If you didn't as someone who is not a touriat (lol not in my town) yoi got warm glass and lots of foam

I think you are missing the point being made @Sauerkrautsandwich which is that those pro immigration into the UK state that immigrant communities must be able to speak their own language, have their own culture, food, live in their own communities etc., but say the exact reverse when it is applied to British/English communities in another country. The British/English are denounced as being lazy, separatist, not respectful of the Country they moved to. Either it is okay or it is not and it applies to all immigrants wherever they are.

I don't remember Polish people being 'thrown out'? I thought that they and others like them already working here could apply to stay on payment of a small fee, about which there was much weeping and wailing from Remainers.

I don't think there are many here who truly object to immigration in general. We surely all agree that to have people coming from other countries to do specific jobs, with the necessary visas, be it healthcare, building, carework etc is a good thing, when there are jobs that need workers. Those workers will be paying tax, and should be in good health, speak English and otherwise integrate into the community they live in. What many object to is the great number of uneducated and unskilled young men, who come here by whatever means via many safe countries, and cost the taxpayer a fortune not only in accommodation and benefits, but also use of translators, legal representation etc (see recent convicted rapist case, absolutely taking the piss out of our broken and overwhelmed system). Why would it be so terrible to model our immigration policies on those of other countries? I have lived and worked in other countries, and in order to do so had to take a medical, provide proof of finances, firm job offer, etc, with no benefits, no free healthcare etc. All fine by me, why on earth should I expect another country's taxpayers to subsidise me just because I fancied living there?

I mean yeah the classic trope of brits on the Costa del sol getting shit faced and living in British enclaves where they only hang out with other brits and go to pubs is "an embarrassment".
But maybe everyone should just be more understanding that that's their culture and they're paying into the local economy and giving the local Spanish community a chance to broaden their horizons...

I'm not a brilliant economist, but apparently the sluggish economic growth has a lot to do with Britain's economic doldrums. This diagnosis is often said to be the one big thing Truss got right, if nothing else.

PP are saying they don't want lots of feckless young male immigrants. That's the wrong kind of immigrant. Fair enough. I assume they mean Asylum seekers. Assuming all Asylum seekers are feckless young males, that's 75k people. 10% of last year total immigrants. Posters on this thread are therefore perfectly happy about the other 625,000 people who immigrated to UK in last year, right?

No that's normal. Ours demand the same. Because everything about immigration is hypocritical in any country you look at.
Your own are alike "that's fine for ours" while hosting country goes "no it isn't"

Ah, okay I get the point you are making now @Sauerkrautsandwich, thanks. Hypocrisy abounds then!

Everywhere. Absolutely

You are always saying this.
The migrants pay traffickers for dangerous journeys, knowing there is a high chance they might die on the way.

The Rwanda scheme is going to take about 0.1% of asylum seekers.

If the migrants are prepared to take the risk of drowning when they pay the traffickers, why on earth do you think that a 0.1% chance of getting sent to Rwanda would put them off? It is not logical

And you’re always coming back with the same misconception 🤷‍♂️

You have it wrong as you’re not considering behaviour.

And I’ve said why every time you ask on this. It’s 100% for the first however many go.

We already know that Rwanda is hopeless; a third country deemed safe (ironically Albania seems likely) may be lawful.

Is this Starmer’s go to? If so we’ve well and truly shifted along the political line

What has the Irish knife wielding immigrant contributed to his new country over the last 20 years or the one who has just been sentenced for murdering the young woman, no wonder some Irish people are getting pissed off

Ah. It's just to be lawful, internationally.

Is that a yes?

Fark sneaky bugger 😂

Just make no sense. So you send 500 who arrive (which could just be a days worth) and the Rwanda scheme is full. But that's going to put people off?? Why on earth would it?

I don’t think anyone was thrown out.
As an EU citizen, if you moved to the UK before January 2021, you had time until the end of June 2021 (or July?) to apply for the pre-settled status.
That’s what I had to do. I didn’t have to pay anything either and nobody asked if I was working. I just needed to provide proof that I had moved before the January deadline.

It won't put people off. If you are willing to risk death crossing the channel, the thought of being amongst the 0.01% who end up in Rwanda is not going to make any difference.

The aim of the scheme is to distract and make it look like something is being done. It is a PR exercise aimed at the Tory base, something for the papers to write about to appease the angry.

I just read this article and thought of this thread: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/25/curbs-on-migrant-workers-would-be-dangerous-for-social-care-warns-government-adviser

People underestimate the selling ability of traffickers

Someone linked a video and two things stood out. Tell a story and it’s safe

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

The traffickers will still sell the crossing, and people will still pay.