AIBU to say that people who are "Anti Woke"

[AntiWoke]

are the people who would like free reign to be racist, sexist, mysogenistic, homophobic. In short, people who want to be able to say whatever they like, even if offensive to some groups of people?

I probably get trounced as anti woke.

I don't believe twaw. I don't want my daughter sharing a youth hostel room with someone with a penis or a body thats grown taller and stronger than hers through male puberty. I don't want a woman only shortlist to include a 45 year old who has been educated and built a career for 20+ years in a male body then changed gender identity at 43, who has never experienced or going to experience menstruation, menopause, birth trauma etc.

I also dislike when some US racial issues are assumed to be the same in the UK, when our demographics & culture are very, very different, our police don't routinely carry guns, black people are a much smaller proportion of the population, we don't have the same history of segregation in schools for eg, and people from the Indian subcontinent are a much more significant minority here, which brings a different set of issues with religion among other things.

OP. I bet you’d be the first person to tell other people not to generalize about a group that you approve of.

I assume your anti-woke grouping includes all the people who have opinions you don’t like, which, of course, in your world, makes them all evil and bad, and not really human.

i’m not sure the worst examples of your anti-woke group are any more close minded than you are.

I don’t really know to whom you are referring in this post as you haven’t defined your terms, and it’s obviously a goady post, so your opinion, whatever it is and whoever it’s about, is worthless. HTH

I think the original concept of ‘woke’ has bean culturally appropriated by a load of irritating, preachy, virtue-signalling, posturing, privileged white people.

The word woke is unhelpful, meaningless drivel

In short, people who want to be able to say whatever they like, even if offensive to some groups of people?

No, they're just arseholes and you'll find them on both sides of the Woke/Anti-woke debate.

Woke or anti-woke are vague catch phrase isn't it, which rallies the tribes, like "politically correct!" and "critical race theory!"... and dare I say it "Every day sexism." The people who most use it can point to the fewest clearest examples of it being an actual problem attributable to the thing they complained about.

In my head I assume that anyone complaining about 'wokeness' means to say "You should tolerate my intolerance of kindness and consideration without criticism". Criticism is not an infringement on free speech, btw.

Yes. Like the trans activists posting porn under J.K.Rowlings tweet displaying a drawing from one of her fans, a child.

Or telling numerous women to ‘choke on their girl dick’ and demanding women who don’t agree with them be beheaded or beaten with a prettily decorated baseball bat.

I think people are ‘anti-woke’ because of the sheer lunacy of many of the viciously ‘woke’ activists who seem to have no issue using sexual violence, violence, sexism or racism against the ‘wrong’ people.

The hypocrisy of many young ‘woke’ people acting like belligerent fascists is not lost on the sane, whichever side of the political spectrum they fall on.

Their pure hatred and lack of critical reasoning skills when coming across an opinion they don’t like is also mildly terrifying.

I think debate clubs, where you need to learn how to construct an argument even for a side you disagree with, should become mandatory.

"Woke" and "anti-woke" are just meaningless insults

I wouldn't want to be asst with either.

Alot of people who crown themselves 'Woke' also are happy to say 'Death to TERFs/Kill the TERFs' and to stand in front of signs calling for TERFs to be guillotined.

It's a bit like the 'Antifa' who march against Fascists but when actual real life Fascists are right there, facing them in the actual street, it's women they decide are the baddies. For being IN THE SAME STREET.

Do you mean anti-woke = pro-free speech?

I'm definitely in favour of free speech with very few limits, and being offensive isn't one of them. Would you really want it to be a criminal offence to offend people? I find that offensive ... oh no! Off to jail for you.

Woke is just a buzz word that's already switched from a positive to a negative and will soon be replaced by some other buzz word.

I don't know if you're deliberately trying to prove my point, but your lengthy post is a demonising of one extreme position from the point of view of another extreme position. It's exactly what's wrong with the Woke/Anti-woke construct.

Ok, we can take the trans issue. There's a minority on either end of the extreme slinging stones and arguing that anyone with a view somewhere in the middle is automatically a member of the opposing extreme. I doubt the extreme views represent more than 10% of the population in total. Most of society are somewhere in the middle thinking both are extremists, and harbouring varying sympathies with both extremes at the same time on different aspects of the issue. Both extremes want to weaponise the issue into an absolute dividing line and reject the concept of a compromise outcome.

Both extremes want to weaponise the issue into an absolute dividing line and reject the concept of a compromise outcome.

Only one of these extremes is behaving like extremists. The other 'extreme' just wants to be able to talk about the reality of human existence including what a compromise might look like.

"Woke" is one of many words that have lost any real meaning in modern discourse. See also - socialist, fascist, far left, far right, Liberal, colonise et al.

But if the threshold for "anti woke" is, as the OP implies, the right to be able to say a thing even if it may offend some groups of people, then I would indeed be anti woke and proud of it.

Anti-woke isn’t always pro free speech. In my professional area the anti-woke are very keen on silencing any public mention of who benefitted from trans Atlantic slavery or that the British empire may have been anything other than a benevolent force for good.

if those of us who want to look at history from all sides and not always glorify the victor are “woke” then so be it

'The other side' is not extreme as I'm not engaging in hate crimes etx

But to say that they want compromise- is that supposed to be some kind or sarcasm? No, they don't. Look at gender politics as the best example.

Most of society are somewhere in the middle thinking both are extremists

What is extremist about saying that women don't have penises and you can't change your sex?

And how many GC women have you seen issuing death threats and sharing porn on threads about children's costumes and artwork?

What is puzzling to me is cynical blindness of the woke movement. For some reason it's offensive nowadays to tell a Jewish anecdote but acceptable to shout "From the river to the sea" implying a second holocaust.

When just stop oil prevent people getting to hospitals/work I lose sympathy.

When BLM destroy historical statues I'm annoyed because history educates us the good and bad.

When Pride is hijacked and families are afraid to take part I'm angry.

When trans infiltrate government education and demand primary school children learn about advanced sexual activity I'm furious.

If that turns me from being a lifelong liberal to anti woke because I m against people being hurt/injured by a cause because uneducated extremists have hijacked it. Then so be it

Can you give some examples of what you are trying to say here?

I genuinely have no clue what your point is.

How can anybody still be saying this? After the whole 'gas the Jews' incident it should be clear why many of us are not on board with the woke hatred and sh$t stirring very thinly disguised as 'antiracist'.

Can you give some examples of what you are trying to say here?
I genuinely have no clue what your point is.

In gender politics, the people described as 'woke' are not people who are looking for middle ground. They do not want to debate.

Do you understand that or is that still needing clarification?

It is all so circular.

'Anti woke people are homophobic'

What can be more homophobic than being woke enough to give gay and lesbian kids drugs and mutilate their bodies to fit what society thinks boys and girls should be like, and rendering them infertile and broken? And these are the people that call themselves 'woke'?

Nah pal. You can shove your woke where the sun doesn't shine.

Anyone who describes themselves as “anti-woke” is someone I’d walk into traffic to avoid.

Most people who declare themselves anti racist are.

are racist!