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Worried about next door's kids

105 replies

NewNeighbour007 · 21/11/2023 01:35

We moved into our new house about 6 months ago. Previously lived on a lovely terraced street with friendly neighbours who welcomed us but now we don't know anyone and no-one has really made much effort to get to know us.

We're now in a semi and our only 'attached' neighbours are a married couple with two boys (I'd guess about 10 and 12). The husband seems 'friendly' enough and is overly chatty (like he'll lean out of his attic conversion and shout conversations down to me if I'm gardening!!!), but I get a shifty 'vibe' from him - something just doesn't feel right. His wife just says hello when she's, say, doing the bins, avoids eye contact or any longer conversations, then scuttles in. We never see the kids play outside.

In the evenings though, we regularly hear shouting (mainly from him, sometimes her) and the kid(s) crying and shouting back.

First time I thought, "Gosh, I'm glad our two aren't that whiny!" but then I started hearing it more and more. Shouting, screaming and howling / crying, quite late into the evenings/night - often once ours are in bed.

And then last week, it happened in school hours. Both parents shouting, kid (just one I think) crying and screaming, really howling, went on for quite a while - it's never just a quick telling off.

My mind started racing: "Why isn't the kid at school? If they are off ill, surely they should be caring for, not shouting at him? Why are the two parents both home anyway? WHY is the child crying so much and for so long? What on earth warrants that much shouting to a child anyway?"

I was beaten as a child (in a detached house, no one heard me scream...) so my mind just goes to a very dark place. It was a real deal-breaker with my husband that we would never hit our children.

It sounds like something bad is happening next door, but I have no proof.

We had a workman round and he heard it too - he actually winced.

I've discussed it with my husband (who had a much more idyllic childhood) and he thinks I'm jumping to conclusions.

Also we're both aware that because we're this family's only neighbours, if we called the police or social services, it would be pretty obvious it was us - and we've still got to live next door to them.

I'm also aware that our own very different childhoods may be influencing our viewpoints on what might or might not be happening.

Our workman said, perhaps next time you hear shouting go knock on the door and ask if everything's OK, so they know we can hear them, but surely that would just make them more careful? (And the guy terrifies me, if I'm honest - despite therapy - it probably triggers me too.)

I keep thinking about those kids and what if anything happened to them?

Am I being unreasonable: 'jumping to conclusions' and should I just keep my nose out?

Or am I being reasonable: to worry about these kids' safety?

More importantly, what on earth would you do?

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NotManyDaysTilChristmas · 26/11/2023 22:27

Can you see if there is a name of a school on one of the jumpers they wear/hang out to dry? Is there an obvious local school you think it likely they’ll be going to. Do you know their surname? I’d turn detective and if you can find out, I’d call the school and speak to the designated safeguarding lead. Even with an address that’d be enough without a name. Failing all that,you need to make a referral to social care, safeguarding is everyone’s business.

BurbageBrook · 26/11/2023 22:28

Report it. Your report could be an important part of a bigger picture. If not, no harm done.

TerrysNeapolitan · 26/11/2023 22:54

We have the same next door. Male is now violent tendencies towards us as showing interest. They war 24/7. We cannot get involved as she will just deny it. I've hinted to her to get some help. She doesn't want it or interference. What can you do?

AtrociousCircumstance · 26/11/2023 23:03

@NewNeighbour007 Have you made a report yet? It’s really important that you do so I’m glad that’s your intention.

OnlyTheCrumbliestFlakiestChocolate · 26/11/2023 23:05

I would report to school or ss because if there is a problem with abuse or neglect then this could help build a picture of what could be going on. It's better safe than sorry.

reallypuzzledoverthis · 26/11/2023 23:06

Definitely straight to your local authority, most have forms you can send in anonymously and they go the frontline team for assessment x

reallypuzzledoverthis · 26/11/2023 23:09

Social services asap, this is very very wrong - domestic abuse and violence is highly prevalent in families whose first language is not English as they are often isolated within their family groups and local communities

tolerable · 26/11/2023 23:39

tell whoever you think of police\soc wrk duty team/is it ncpp thing.
EVERY /any time.
one of yell/cry is a tough call. but REpeatedly.?
stick your neck out

NewNeighbour007 · 26/11/2023 23:45

AtrociousCircumstance · 26/11/2023 23:03

@NewNeighbour007 Have you made a report yet? It’s really important that you do so I’m glad that’s your intention.

Will make a call this week - I was away with work last week. But yes.

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Pigeonqueen · 26/11/2023 23:45

Report to social services and ring the police every time you hear it. I’ve actually done this for a similar situation across our street and they do turn up very quickly. The parents need to know it isn’t okay and the children also need to know people are hearing and trying to help them. That alone is very important.’

NewNeighbour007 · 26/11/2023 23:51

Nazzywish · 25/11/2023 15:41

I'd start with getting to know mum and kids abit better first. It's Xmas so perfect time to go around gifting some food and stay for a chat, during the course of which you ask her to come to yours with the kids for a play etc so kids can get to know each other. This starts to open doors for her and you to communicate. Start slowly and once trusted see if the kids can pop over for an hour or so to yours and build it into a conversation re what discipline goes on. You'll gauge it all from their reaction. However this is if you think its not all the time and dangerous if it is then skip all this and report OP. Doesn't matter if he knows it's you, you've helped those kids get on the radar of someone and could end up saving their lives. Having been through it you know as does every other person whose been through it if we can protect just one kid from that hell then some discomfort is worth it. Too many kids being let down and killed every day and suffering because of monsters all around.

This would be the ideal. I am still toying with the 'baking' idea of earlier suggestions but I'm pretty terrified of/triggered by this man. tbh. I need to put my big-girl pants on, I know.

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NewNeighbour007 · 26/11/2023 23:53

TerrysNeapolitan · 26/11/2023 22:54

We have the same next door. Male is now violent tendencies towards us as showing interest. They war 24/7. We cannot get involved as she will just deny it. I've hinted to her to get some help. She doesn't want it or interference. What can you do?

So sorry. Are you saying he is now threatening you?

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NewNeighbour007 · 26/11/2023 23:56

NotManyDaysTilChristmas · 26/11/2023 22:27

Can you see if there is a name of a school on one of the jumpers they wear/hang out to dry? Is there an obvious local school you think it likely they’ll be going to. Do you know their surname? I’d turn detective and if you can find out, I’d call the school and speak to the designated safeguarding lead. Even with an address that’d be enough without a name. Failing all that,you need to make a referral to social care, safeguarding is everyone’s business.

Edited

They don't seem to hang washing out. No washing lines all summer. No obvious local school - I've only seen them once on the school run, months ago. Don't know all the family names but know the couple's. I was away last week but they've been unusually quiet this weekend.

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SleepingStandingUp · 26/11/2023 23:59

Next time they're screaming op, put a glass against the joining wall and your ear to it, you should hear more clearly. It might give you the info you need.

Fionaville · 27/11/2023 00:00

The only concern is the screaming kids. The chatty husband and quite wife, could be me and DH. Everyone on the road knows him because he chats to them all. Whereas I'm always rushing to get in.
When you say shouting, are the kids shouting too? You're guessing their ages, they could be early teens, refusing to go to school. Shouting is still horrible, but there are families who are very loud and shouty.
Your gut is telling you something is wrong though. Do you see the kids in uniform? I'd be more inclined to report it to the school myself.

NewNeighbour007 · 27/11/2023 00:02

SageLavenderThyme · 26/11/2023 22:06

I also agree that it probably also needs police involved. I'd call next time it happens and also record it.

Recording it - why didn't I think of that? I will do that next time. Of course they've been really quiet this weekend, which, for the kids is a good thing, I hope.

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NewNeighbour007 · 27/11/2023 00:03

Fionaville · 27/11/2023 00:00

The only concern is the screaming kids. The chatty husband and quite wife, could be me and DH. Everyone on the road knows him because he chats to them all. Whereas I'm always rushing to get in.
When you say shouting, are the kids shouting too? You're guessing their ages, they could be early teens, refusing to go to school. Shouting is still horrible, but there are families who are very loud and shouty.
Your gut is telling you something is wrong though. Do you see the kids in uniform? I'd be more inclined to report it to the school myself.

Yes the kids are shouting and crying back.

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NewNeighbour007 · 27/11/2023 00:06

plumtreebroke · 25/11/2023 21:08

We had neighbours like this once, children came in from school, mother screamed at children. father came in from work he screamed at wife and children. We moved eventually, I don't think any one was hit/injured but it was a nightmare to live next to.

God, we've only just moved here and it was meant to be our forever home.

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NewNeighbour007 · 27/11/2023 00:09

Icepinkeskimo · 25/11/2023 21:37

I am coming in from another angle, which is purely medical. I cannot even tell you the emotional effects of facing horror and brutality, that I have faced when treating innocent children. All inflicted by “adults” many direct family members, the “partner” one prevailing trait amongst them all, their blatant disregard, arrogance and fantastic ability to lie.
The child “slipped” “fell” “bruises easily” “brushed against a lit cigarette” you name it I’ve heard it.
So often the physical and mental abuse has been going on for a prolonged period of time.
I can only implore any one to trust your gut feeling, if you feel abuse is going on, then report it. Don’t ignore it, or feel that you’re over reacting.
So many times I think surely the neighbours/friends/other family members must have heard something or noticed something not quite right. Then it turns out the abuser is either a smiling narcissist or a psychopathic bully (sometimes both).

Prevention is better than cure, and sometimes I just can’t cure, and that breaks my heart.

Thank you, genuinely. I will make a call tomorrow.

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Fionaville · 27/11/2023 00:11

NewNeighbour007 · 27/11/2023 00:03

Yes the kids are shouting and crying back.

I could just be a very shouty, dysfunctional household. My mind wouldn't necessarily go to a house where the kids are being beaten, if they are shouting too. If you've got concerns though, you've got to intervene somehow. Find out their names and then try and get the school name.

Lovelymoon · 27/11/2023 00:18

Regardless, sounds like verbal abuse at the very least

TerrysNeapolitan · 27/11/2023 01:00

NewNeighbour007 · 26/11/2023 23:53

So sorry. Are you saying he is now threatening you?

He is an absolute thug. Aggressive shit - but to anyone else in the road he is the doting dad. He kicks off at us over anything to do with gardens, trees etc. Has turned up at the front door being aggressive. We hear everything through the wall. Which is not good. He called the mother of his child a fucking cunt on mothers day. That pretty much sums it up there. They both have extremely aggressive rows on a daily basis. We are praying they move.

jannier · 27/11/2023 08:15

NewNeighbour007 · 26/11/2023 23:51

This would be the ideal. I am still toying with the 'baking' idea of earlier suggestions but I'm pretty terrified of/triggered by this man. tbh. I need to put my big-girl pants on, I know.

Just call lots for of injuries etc can happen while you cook and make friends do you think it will be oh you brought me a cake yesterday I'll tell all today? Women also do the abusing anyway.

pizzaHeart · 27/11/2023 08:59

I would report to social services at the local council, it’s the only way as you only have an address for neighbors. I would put in my complaint that you don’t want your name to be known. I wouldn’t waste my time baking or chatting or looking at jumpers. If kids have SEN and homeschooled it would be known to social services.
If you call the police during the noise your neighbor will just tell a pack of lies. So I would report to social services describing everything and in particular that you haven’t seen kids these 6 months.
Their noise sounds very strange, it’s not like parents fed up with teens not helping with tidying up, no. Kids not going to school and even outside is another red flag.

pimplebum · 28/11/2024 09:40

Advent calendars for the boys ? (1st Dec on Sunday ) Xmas card - joke that you a trying to be super organised this year

AWAYS report. And I say this as a mum who is home with a screamy school avoider frightened daily by what the neighbours think , I’ve had a social worker visit ( not neighbour) they investigated and left happy
not nice but I was glad they investigated

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