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Saying no to MIL?

69 replies

Inyourwildestdreams · 20/11/2023 06:29

The backstory:
MIL has a partner that she’s been seeing for around 3 years now (I’ll call him John for ease). She lives 5 mins from us. He lives in the same town too. John spends around half the week staying at her house.
DH and I have asked many times to meet him. If we’re having a meal at home, or she’s coming round to visit, or having a meal or something out we always invite him and she declines every time. She absolutely will not allow us to meet. She says she’s “an adult and doesn’t need to involve her adult children in her private life”. Personally I think that’s a bit odd after them being together 3 years but however, my opinion really doesn’t matter. It really frustrates DH though.

MIL won’t even answer the phone to him if John is around. She has health concerns and lives alone so we often check in with her. DH couldn’t get hold of her for 2 days earlier this year. Phone ringing out, car in the driveway. Key in the other side of her door so he couldn’t use his spare key. He was genuinely unsure when to involve the police incase she was unwell in the house. But no, “John was here for a few days”. DH explained that he was concerned about her and there was no issue in her jsut answering the phone with “I’m fine. John is round” and he’d leave her to it. But she just won’t answer.

She has cancelled many plans with us in order to go out with John instead which is a bit frustrating - eg, she’s specifically mentioned she’d love to go to a particular new restaurant with us for dinner for her bday. We book, inviting John too. She declines his invite. The day before the meal she calls and says John would like to take her out for a meal for her birthday so she’d rather do brunch with us instead so can we change our plans for the day. She arrives at brunch and declares that she’s just having a coffee and not eating as she doesn’t want to spoil her evening meal by eating a lot during the day.

Or she’ll call one morning asking to come round for a couple of hours late morning and see DCs (preschool aged). I’ll ask if she wants lunch with us - “yes please that would be lovely!”. Kids all excited as Gran is coming. She’ll turn up and announce “I’m not going to stay, John and I decided we’re going to go shopping this afternoon”. Stays 10 mins with the kids and then leaves.

It’s always at short notice. This has got worse over the years as they got more serious. Friends of hers have met him and comment that he seems a nice man etc so I don’t think she’s hiding him for a particular reason. She just will not allow DH or my SIL to meet him. She says she has no interest in us all meeting and he certainly isn’t interested in getting to know her adult DC. When she wants to see us though, it’s a huge issue if we aren’t available for whatever reason.

Current issue:
MIL usually spends Christmas with her parents and other family. They are visiting elsewhere this year so she is on her own. She works a few hours locally over lunchtime on Xmas day. John spends the day with his adult DCs in their home town. Obviously I invite MIL to be with us on Xmas day. We usually do Xmas lunch but I tell her to come to us after work and we’ll serve at dinner time this year instead. All perfect, she’s delighted. She was round last week and says “oh - Christmas Day! John isn’t going to his DC this year so I’d rather do Xmas day just with him instead”. Fine, no issue.
She called DH yesterday and said - “John and I will just come to you for Christmas dinner instead actually. You’ll have it ready for me finishing work won’t you? He says he’d rather get to spend a few hours in the pub while I’m at work rather than home alone cooking so we’ll come to you to get fed then go home and get in with our Christmas evening.”

DH is fuming. He actually hung up on her which I’ve never seen him do. In 3 years we’ve never been allowed to meet but they’re happy to pop in and get fed on Christmas Day for their convenience?! He says he’s calling her today and telling her they’re not welcome to join us for dinner as he isn’t interested in making small talk over Christmas dinner and dealing with our kids being shy around a stranger when they should be enjoying a relaxed Christmas Day.

What would you do? I’m with DH on whatever he wants to do obviously. But it could also be our opportunity to meet and perhaps have things less segregated in future? Although I do think they are CF tbh!

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DisforDarkChocolate · 20/11/2023 06:34

I'm with your husband. It will mean a very unrelaxed Christmas Day. I bet my Christmas Day she'd have cancelled to spend the day with John anyway.

Dowhadiddydiddydum · 20/11/2023 06:35

What would I do? Nothing. I’d let DH get on with it. Sounds like he’s been thoroughly patient with his mum who has been rude and selfish and now he has finally called her on it. The only thing I might do is reassure DH that him being angry is ok and that his mum has been rude for far to long so having this boundary around xmas day is fine. I’d also encourage him to communicate clearly with his mum why he is angry.

The ignoring for days on end, dropping out of prior arrangements etc is so unkind and rude. I agree I’d never continue with this plan for Xmas. Who does she think she is!!!

Hitherehi · 20/11/2023 06:36

I wouldn't let them come over. Your DH should tell his mum how he feels. He should also say he just wants to spend Christmas with his wife and children and no one else. Serve Christmas dinner during the time she'd be at work. Really cheeky that they just want to eat and then leave. I would also stop inviting her to places and stop ringing her. If she cares about spending time with her son then she should make the effort to arrange things.

user1492757084 · 20/11/2023 06:44

It's not worth falling out over.
I would have to have the big surprise and meet him at Christmas.

It is not unusual to meet new family members at Christmas. Your kids will cope with meeting Granny's friend.
It could be really fun.
This man is possibly quite nice and more respectful of your MIL spending time with you than she is.

I would tell DH that you are happy to have them over; that you will all cope well .. but leave it up to him.

JuliaGoolias · 20/11/2023 06:44

I'm a little suspicious of john. I'd say yes to coming for Christmas dinner but only if they both meet up with you for a coffee before then, so your first time meeting him isn't Christmas Day.

BusyMum47 · 20/11/2023 06:45

⬆️ I agree 100%!

Back DH up, say it doesn't work for you, serve lunch earlier, let your kids enjoy their day & leave her & John to it! In future, stop making all the effort & bending over backwards to accommodate her - she sounds beyond selfish!!

pinkfondu · 20/11/2023 06:46

Wow the cheek beggars belief.

I cannot believe how rude and ignorant she has been all this time. Before the Xmas bit I was going to ask if it could be an abusive relationship, him being controlling.

Not want to merge is one thing, but dropping plans and messing you and the kids like that is another level. She's acting like a teenager with her first boyfriend.

My sarcastic response to the Xmas request probably would have been 'would you prefer me to just box some food up for you to pick up from the doorstep!'

cleo333 · 20/11/2023 06:47

I'm also suspicious of John . I wonder if he's very much in charge in the relationship as she seems to put him first at all times . Time to meet him but not Xmas day ! He needs eyes set on him .... and not all on his terms

Ponoka7 · 20/11/2023 06:51

So she's young enough that her parents are alive and she's working? I think wanting her to be contactable is unreasonable. There was nothing wrong with John not meeting the rest of the family. However I agree that Christmas day is too much pressure and not an appropriate time to meet him for the first time. A clearing of the air is needed. There's men who suddenly come up with plans once you make it clear that you aren't sitting waiting for them, it also ensures that family /friends are blocked, I'd want to check if John isn't one of them.

RedCoffeeCup · 20/11/2023 06:55

I can see why your DH is annoyed, but I also think he's cutting off his nose to spite his face. He wants to meet John and he's finally been given the opportunity! He wants to see his mum at Christmas (I assume). She's dictating the timing of the meal for a good reason (she's at work) and you were happy to accommodate this before. I don't really see why the new plan will mean that Christmas isn't as happy and relaxing? It's fairly normal to spend Christmas Day chatting to random old people! (In my case - my cousin's wife's parents!) And you still get most of the day together as a family to open presents etc, as they're not coming till later on.

Personally I'd encourage him to think it over for a bit. He may realise it's not such a terrible suggestion after all.

CoconutSty · 20/11/2023 06:59

The absolute CFery of demanding Christmas lunch on those terms, not to mention all the previous times she's ditched you all for him at the last minute, far far outweighs the 'opportunity' to meet him, in my opinion. No matter how curious I was about him there's no way I'd be cooking dinner for them now! They can both eff off. Permanently.

Sparkletastic · 20/11/2023 07:02

I'd support DH in telling his mum that unfortunately her plan for Christmas Day doesn't work for your family but that he'd be more than happy to be introduced to John at some other point over the festive season. Perhaps MIL would like to host something?

EsmeSusanOgg · 20/11/2023 07:02

Your DH makes a good point about it being uncomfortable having a stranger over for your kids on Christmas day.

EsmeSusanOgg · 20/11/2023 07:04

Sparkletastic · 20/11/2023 07:02

I'd support DH in telling his mum that unfortunately her plan for Christmas Day doesn't work for your family but that he'd be more than happy to be introduced to John at some other point over the festive season. Perhaps MIL would like to host something?

Yeah. It is too high pressure a first meeting.

Randomworkmoan · 20/11/2023 07:04

Sounds to me like it's not that she doesn't want you to meet John but more that John doesn't want to meet you. Until now obviously when he can get fed after the pub and then feck off to start their Christmas evening.

I am another suspicious of John but that doesn't mean I would want him round at Christmas either. I would definitely say meet before or not on Christmas too. But it sounds like they are in a relationship on John's terms for sure.

Fairyliz · 20/11/2023 07:06

Am I the only one who is suspicious that John is married and telling his wife he is popping out to the pub for a couple of hours on Christmas Day when he’s coming around yours?

Rjahdhdvd · 20/11/2023 07:06

It sounds like John is married to be honest or shady at the very least.
But I agree about Christmas; I wouldn’t accept being used like that and I wonder if they’ll cancel on you last minute anyway. To be honest I’d of been annoyed ages ago with just being dropped for him all the time but I guess there’s not been much you could do

MyCircumference · 20/11/2023 07:06

that sounds a stressful christmas
he should say i would like to invite you and john over before christmas to meet.

WhatNoRaisins · 20/11/2023 07:07

It's very rude treating someone's Christmas dinner like a quick trip to McDonald's in any case and with the history here odds are they'd flake on even those crappy plans.

I'm with your DH, I'd say no. Meeting someone new on Christmas Day can be fine but with such bad history it's probably not a good idea.

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 20/11/2023 07:09

I'd uninvite her. She being cheeky using you as a restaurant and bringing a man into your house that she has previously refused to introduce you too. I like a relaxing Christmas, not one with a stranger at my table who is only there as he doesn't want to be alone for a few hours and cook.

SunRainStorm · 20/11/2023 07:10

I think John is married, but that's neither here nor there.

Your MIL is a cheeky bitch.

Tell her you're doing lunch now, and only for people celebrating Christmas with you.

A McDonalds drive through will suit their purposes better.

Mothership4two · 20/11/2023 07:12

Agree with DH. Even without your weird MIL backstory Christmas day with children is not the time to be meeting important additions to the family or to be dictated to when you will serve the meal. I would ask them to come on another day over Christmas instead, one that suits you (and at a time that suits you) as an alternative saying how much you would like to finally meet him to soften the blow, be the bigger person and scale down any drama. She may say no anyway though going on her past form and if she now has her nose out of joint!

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 20/11/2023 07:13

John is either married or very controlling by the sounds of it.

I’d tell MiL it’s not ideal to meet someone on Christmas Day, but for her you’ll do it.

I’d put money on John cancelling anyway so not a hill to die on imo.

YireosDodeAver · 20/11/2023 07:14

Yanbu but Christmas is still 6 weeks away so it's a perfect opportunity to make some swift changes.

Why not reply something like "we have beem wanting to meet John for years but you have wanted to keep him away from us. If you want to change that, that's great, but we don't want a stranger making things awkward on Christmas Day - but there's six weeks between now and then where we could get to know and like John and then he wouldn't be a stranger any more. We'll be happy to consider him family if you both start behaving as if he is and spending quality time with us, but we aren't up for pretending to be family on Christmas Day and excluded the rest of the time.

Aria2015 · 20/11/2023 07:19

I think your mil is in the wrong, however I think it's a shame to fall out over it and think this could instead be used as an opportunity to set up a better situation.

I think your dh should tell your mil that both her and John are welcome on Christmas Day BUT only if you have the opportunity to meet him at least once before hand. This will help ease how everyone feels on the day as because of her choices, he's actually a complete stranger to you all and you want the day to be relaxed and casual. If she refuses, then I think it's fair to say that you're not comfortable with it and for them to make their own plans.

Sounds like everyone your side would like to meet him, so maybe this could pave the way...

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