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Saying no to MIL?

69 replies

Inyourwildestdreams · 20/11/2023 06:29

The backstory:
MIL has a partner that she’s been seeing for around 3 years now (I’ll call him John for ease). She lives 5 mins from us. He lives in the same town too. John spends around half the week staying at her house.
DH and I have asked many times to meet him. If we’re having a meal at home, or she’s coming round to visit, or having a meal or something out we always invite him and she declines every time. She absolutely will not allow us to meet. She says she’s “an adult and doesn’t need to involve her adult children in her private life”. Personally I think that’s a bit odd after them being together 3 years but however, my opinion really doesn’t matter. It really frustrates DH though.

MIL won’t even answer the phone to him if John is around. She has health concerns and lives alone so we often check in with her. DH couldn’t get hold of her for 2 days earlier this year. Phone ringing out, car in the driveway. Key in the other side of her door so he couldn’t use his spare key. He was genuinely unsure when to involve the police incase she was unwell in the house. But no, “John was here for a few days”. DH explained that he was concerned about her and there was no issue in her jsut answering the phone with “I’m fine. John is round” and he’d leave her to it. But she just won’t answer.

She has cancelled many plans with us in order to go out with John instead which is a bit frustrating - eg, she’s specifically mentioned she’d love to go to a particular new restaurant with us for dinner for her bday. We book, inviting John too. She declines his invite. The day before the meal she calls and says John would like to take her out for a meal for her birthday so she’d rather do brunch with us instead so can we change our plans for the day. She arrives at brunch and declares that she’s just having a coffee and not eating as she doesn’t want to spoil her evening meal by eating a lot during the day.

Or she’ll call one morning asking to come round for a couple of hours late morning and see DCs (preschool aged). I’ll ask if she wants lunch with us - “yes please that would be lovely!”. Kids all excited as Gran is coming. She’ll turn up and announce “I’m not going to stay, John and I decided we’re going to go shopping this afternoon”. Stays 10 mins with the kids and then leaves.

It’s always at short notice. This has got worse over the years as they got more serious. Friends of hers have met him and comment that he seems a nice man etc so I don’t think she’s hiding him for a particular reason. She just will not allow DH or my SIL to meet him. She says she has no interest in us all meeting and he certainly isn’t interested in getting to know her adult DC. When she wants to see us though, it’s a huge issue if we aren’t available for whatever reason.

Current issue:
MIL usually spends Christmas with her parents and other family. They are visiting elsewhere this year so she is on her own. She works a few hours locally over lunchtime on Xmas day. John spends the day with his adult DCs in their home town. Obviously I invite MIL to be with us on Xmas day. We usually do Xmas lunch but I tell her to come to us after work and we’ll serve at dinner time this year instead. All perfect, she’s delighted. She was round last week and says “oh - Christmas Day! John isn’t going to his DC this year so I’d rather do Xmas day just with him instead”. Fine, no issue.
She called DH yesterday and said - “John and I will just come to you for Christmas dinner instead actually. You’ll have it ready for me finishing work won’t you? He says he’d rather get to spend a few hours in the pub while I’m at work rather than home alone cooking so we’ll come to you to get fed then go home and get in with our Christmas evening.”

DH is fuming. He actually hung up on her which I’ve never seen him do. In 3 years we’ve never been allowed to meet but they’re happy to pop in and get fed on Christmas Day for their convenience?! He says he’s calling her today and telling her they’re not welcome to join us for dinner as he isn’t interested in making small talk over Christmas dinner and dealing with our kids being shy around a stranger when they should be enjoying a relaxed Christmas Day.

What would you do? I’m with DH on whatever he wants to do obviously. But it could also be our opportunity to meet and perhaps have things less segregated in future? Although I do think they are CF tbh!

OP posts:
Inyourwildestdreams · 20/11/2023 07:22

Thanks all. Obviously, it’s DHs decision. I won’t be getting involved. I was just more curious to see what others made of the situation.

To answer a few points. MIL is mid 60s but health issues. She moved back here (DH and I live in our childhood hometown) about 8 years ago to be close to family for this reason. He parents are early 90s but still very active.

I had the same concerns about John initially. But as far as I know (and can check via social media 😅) he’s been divorced about 20 years. 2 kids roughly the same age as DH and I. His ex wife is remarried and lives abroad with her husband. No idea about partners between then and now but he definitely lives alone.

From what MIL has said, he definitely likes being waited on. She cooks all meals etc, makes all plans for days out/holidays etc. He seems to have integrated well into her friend group. They holiday together with friends and couples, he plays sports with the friends husbands etc. Friends seem to like him.

OP posts:
WhichIsItWendy · 20/11/2023 07:24

Does "John" exist? Seriously, I expect she'll cancel for one reason or another before or on Christmas day and at this point, I'd be questioning whether he's ever existed.

"Sorry, MIL, that doesn't work for us. I hope you have a lovely Christmas and looking forward to seeing you in the new year some time."

Stop going out of your way for her, she sounds really rude.

Heronwatcher · 20/11/2023 07:30

Do not agree to have them round for dinner. Whatever’s going on with John I have no doubt at all that it will ruin your Christmas Day plus she is making it 100% clear that neither she nor him have no wish to spend time with you, she just wants dinner done so that John can go to the pub! Meaning that he will probably be pissed too.

Say that you’ve now made plans for Christmas Day itself but she is very welcome to pop in with John another time over the Christmas period- she just needs to suggest a few times to you. Leave her to suggest the times. In future stop suggesting times and activities- even if that means you’re low contact- make her do the running. Don’t reorganise to suit her however much if a fuss she makes. If she changes things at the last minute just cancel- “actually MIL if you’re just getting a coffee, I don’t really fancy it, why don’t you just get a take away and drink it on the way home…”

She’s perfectly entitled to keep her relationship separate but she’s not entitled to mess people around- she needs to realise that if she keeps doing this they will keep their distance.

Derb · 20/11/2023 07:34

I'd back your husband up. It sounds like he has every reason to be annoyed and his Mum and John are clearly just using you for a pit stop as he can't be arsed to cook himself. The cheek!

Daffodilsandtuplips · 20/11/2023 07:39

EsmeSusanOgg · 20/11/2023 07:02

Your DH makes a good point about it being uncomfortable having a stranger over for your kids on Christmas day.

Add to this a probably pissed stranger on Christmas Day. if he intends to spend a few hours in the pub. It’s bad enough coping with pissed relatives you know well on Christmas Day.
I’m with your DH here.

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 20/11/2023 07:53

I agree with your DH.

Although I'd put money on this being used forever if he ever asks to meet him again "well he tried to meet you at Christmas but you said he wasn't welcome! So no, you can't".

VioletVesper · 20/11/2023 08:37

From all you’ve said, I doubt John would come on Christmas Day anyway. My suspicion is there will be a ‘change of plan’ and MIL will ask you to plate up the Christmas dinners so she can pop in to pick up (solo) and take back to hers…

determinedtomakethiswork · 20/11/2023 08:41

He's going to be drunk isn't he? I wonder whether this is what's going on and that's why she doesn't want you to meet him. It's terrible that he says he's not interested in meeting any of you. That's really appalling. It shows no interest in her life at all.

ohdamnitjanet · 20/11/2023 08:51

user1492757084 · 20/11/2023 06:44

It's not worth falling out over.
I would have to have the big surprise and meet him at Christmas.

It is not unusual to meet new family members at Christmas. Your kids will cope with meeting Granny's friend.
It could be really fun.
This man is possibly quite nice and more respectful of your MIL spending time with you than she is.

I would tell DH that you are happy to have them over; that you will all cope well .. but leave it up to him.

It won’t be fun. It will be awful. He’ll have spent hours in the pub and will turn up pissed and probably ruin it for everyone except, obviously, MIL.

ohdamnitjanet · 20/11/2023 08:57

YireosDodeAver · 20/11/2023 07:14

Yanbu but Christmas is still 6 weeks away so it's a perfect opportunity to make some swift changes.

Why not reply something like "we have beem wanting to meet John for years but you have wanted to keep him away from us. If you want to change that, that's great, but we don't want a stranger making things awkward on Christmas Day - but there's six weeks between now and then where we could get to know and like John and then he wouldn't be a stranger any more. We'll be happy to consider him family if you both start behaving as if he is and spending quality time with us, but we aren't up for pretending to be family on Christmas Day and excluded the rest of the time.

This is great. Ball in their court, polite, but firm. MIL is a giant twat and good for DH for standing up to her.

Bogeyes · 20/11/2023 09:15

I would be worried. Is John controlling your MIL. Is he in charge of her finances? Sounds very suspicious to me? Does MIL own her own house? I would do some digging.

AlwaysFoldingWashing · 20/11/2023 09:37

Completely agree with @VioletVesper I could see MiL changing plans again nearer the time and just collecting plates of food to go.

They've had three years of offers from you which have been turned down, they need to accept that everything is not on their terms. Also agree with your DH that Christmas is not the day for the first meeting. I wouldn't be chopping and changing the day that suits your family to suit MiL who thinks nothing of suiting herself at the expense of everyone else. I'd say she is welcome to meet up in the new year and leave her to make the plans

AngelAurora · 20/11/2023 09:46

I think she needs to be careful, all the strange behaviour is baffling. You either know him already and she has been trying to hide it, or he is not who he says he is.

As for Christmas Day, say no this does not work for you. Looks like she is walking on egg shells around him trying to please him. Something not right at all.

Delt · 20/11/2023 09:49

Say it's fine but you'd like the kids to meet John ahead of Christmas dinner.

Delt · 20/11/2023 09:50

If MIL says no to that then you say I'm not having a stranger over on Christmas day.

Which is fair enough.

Maddy70 · 20/11/2023 09:51

Actually it's your chance to meet him. I would say great. Be lovely to see him

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/11/2023 09:54

Good god the cheek of this!

”Get fed” indeed! And “have it ready for me finishing work” - ie they want to eat your food and then leave as soon as possible - to spend as little time as poss.

And I’m sure he’d rather be in the pub rather than cooking whilst she works - who wouldn’t!

All this on the back of refusing to meet you before and refusing calls when he’s there!

Your DH sounds right to tell her no. Christmas Day is not the day for kids to be meeting a new person for the first time. Especially not a person who’s come from the pub!

Im also a bit suspicious of John. He sounds controlling and not very nice.

CandyLeBonBon · 20/11/2023 09:57

Fairyliz · 20/11/2023 07:06

Am I the only one who is suspicious that John is married and telling his wife he is popping out to the pub for a couple of hours on Christmas Day when he’s coming around yours?

I wondered that, too!

Bunnyannesummers · 20/11/2023 10:00

I wouldn’t want someone you’ve never met before, who’s been in the pub for hours before, coming to the house at Christmas when you have young children.

Gassylady · 20/11/2023 10:01

Wow what an odd situation. Good for your husband for making a stand. John seems to like things his own way very much indeed. Don’t think I would be messing around with my Christmas Day plans to accommodate this either. One last offer to meet with John in the run up maybe -could you do a pre Christmas buffet perhaps? He does sound controlling - I hadn’t thought of the other possibility that he is still married.

billy1966 · 20/11/2023 10:06

Your MIL is appallingly rude.

Your husband is completely right to not want his home to be used in such a way on Christmas day.

I think you have been far too tolerant of her rudeness.

Take a huge step back and follow your husbands lead on this.

Ktime · 20/11/2023 10:07

Your DH is 100% tight. Support him and don’t feel obliged to tell him to invite MIL and John.

I’d just ignore MIL from now on.

MsRosley · 20/11/2023 10:16

Bloody well done, OP's husband! We need more men like him.

AncientBallerina · 20/11/2023 10:16

Agree - I would not have a man I’ve never met eating at my house on Christmas Day after several hours in the pub. Awful. Your DH is absolutely right to put his foot down. Have your Lunch at the time that suits you and let them ‘get fed’ somewhere else.

pinkyredrose · 20/11/2023 10:20

That's so rude and cheeky. You're not good enough to meet John but good enough to provide him Xmas dinner after which they'll both fuck off. No chance!