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Saying no to MIL?

69 replies

Inyourwildestdreams · 20/11/2023 06:29

The backstory:
MIL has a partner that she’s been seeing for around 3 years now (I’ll call him John for ease). She lives 5 mins from us. He lives in the same town too. John spends around half the week staying at her house.
DH and I have asked many times to meet him. If we’re having a meal at home, or she’s coming round to visit, or having a meal or something out we always invite him and she declines every time. She absolutely will not allow us to meet. She says she’s “an adult and doesn’t need to involve her adult children in her private life”. Personally I think that’s a bit odd after them being together 3 years but however, my opinion really doesn’t matter. It really frustrates DH though.

MIL won’t even answer the phone to him if John is around. She has health concerns and lives alone so we often check in with her. DH couldn’t get hold of her for 2 days earlier this year. Phone ringing out, car in the driveway. Key in the other side of her door so he couldn’t use his spare key. He was genuinely unsure when to involve the police incase she was unwell in the house. But no, “John was here for a few days”. DH explained that he was concerned about her and there was no issue in her jsut answering the phone with “I’m fine. John is round” and he’d leave her to it. But she just won’t answer.

She has cancelled many plans with us in order to go out with John instead which is a bit frustrating - eg, she’s specifically mentioned she’d love to go to a particular new restaurant with us for dinner for her bday. We book, inviting John too. She declines his invite. The day before the meal she calls and says John would like to take her out for a meal for her birthday so she’d rather do brunch with us instead so can we change our plans for the day. She arrives at brunch and declares that she’s just having a coffee and not eating as she doesn’t want to spoil her evening meal by eating a lot during the day.

Or she’ll call one morning asking to come round for a couple of hours late morning and see DCs (preschool aged). I’ll ask if she wants lunch with us - “yes please that would be lovely!”. Kids all excited as Gran is coming. She’ll turn up and announce “I’m not going to stay, John and I decided we’re going to go shopping this afternoon”. Stays 10 mins with the kids and then leaves.

It’s always at short notice. This has got worse over the years as they got more serious. Friends of hers have met him and comment that he seems a nice man etc so I don’t think she’s hiding him for a particular reason. She just will not allow DH or my SIL to meet him. She says she has no interest in us all meeting and he certainly isn’t interested in getting to know her adult DC. When she wants to see us though, it’s a huge issue if we aren’t available for whatever reason.

Current issue:
MIL usually spends Christmas with her parents and other family. They are visiting elsewhere this year so she is on her own. She works a few hours locally over lunchtime on Xmas day. John spends the day with his adult DCs in their home town. Obviously I invite MIL to be with us on Xmas day. We usually do Xmas lunch but I tell her to come to us after work and we’ll serve at dinner time this year instead. All perfect, she’s delighted. She was round last week and says “oh - Christmas Day! John isn’t going to his DC this year so I’d rather do Xmas day just with him instead”. Fine, no issue.
She called DH yesterday and said - “John and I will just come to you for Christmas dinner instead actually. You’ll have it ready for me finishing work won’t you? He says he’d rather get to spend a few hours in the pub while I’m at work rather than home alone cooking so we’ll come to you to get fed then go home and get in with our Christmas evening.”

DH is fuming. He actually hung up on her which I’ve never seen him do. In 3 years we’ve never been allowed to meet but they’re happy to pop in and get fed on Christmas Day for their convenience?! He says he’s calling her today and telling her they’re not welcome to join us for dinner as he isn’t interested in making small talk over Christmas dinner and dealing with our kids being shy around a stranger when they should be enjoying a relaxed Christmas Day.

What would you do? I’m with DH on whatever he wants to do obviously. But it could also be our opportunity to meet and perhaps have things less segregated in future? Although I do think they are CF tbh!

OP posts:
35965a · 20/11/2023 10:28

As others said, even if you agree it sounds like MIL will cancel (because of John) at the last second and take her food home or something. I’m definitely with your DH. Let MIL know you’re there for her but you’ll respect the fact she wants to keep John separate and just not make plans any more. He may be controlling but all you can do is let her know if she needs help you’ll be there but otherwise leave her to it.

ValerieGoldberg · 20/11/2023 10:30

Reading your posts OP, if it were me and my mum I would be annoyed in general at the last minute cancelling once there’s a better offer on the table, that’s very rude in itself. Then factoring in the John thing, I agree that it wouldn’t feel as relaxing on Christmas Day as he is stranger, and he is a stranger because your MIL hasn’t made any prior effort to introduce him. I do get where your husband is coming from. I think you’re definitely doing the right thing leaving it to him to sort.

Cyclebabble · 20/11/2023 10:51

So I would do Xmas lunch as usual (usual time) and then re-heat for MIL and partner when they arrive. To avoid them sitting alone I could perhaps serve a desert at this time, but I certainly would not be delaying my main xmas lunch for many hours.

sockarefootwear · 20/11/2023 10:56

I definitely wouldn't agree to what they have asked. If you do I think there is a very high chance that either they will cancel on the day or even more likely you'll be left hanging around waiting to eat until John is ready to leave the pub and/or whilst MIL joins him 'just for one'.

I would, however, be wary of saying a flat 'no' as this makes it really easy for them to say they tried to introduce you to John and you refused and/or for him to persuade MIL that you have ruined their Xmas etc etc (if he's controlling). So I'd tell MIL that you'd love to see them but will be eating your main meal at lunch time and putting on a buffet for when they arrive. I'd 'sell' this as better for them because it's not as time critical so you can have it ready for them to eat when they arrive, and it will be more relaxed so less pressure for you and John on your first meeting. That way you can have most of your Xmas day the way you like it and food for when they arrive can be mainly cold so won't spoil if they are late and can be put away for another day if they don't show up.

Personally, I wonder if John has a drink problem. I had a family member who was a functioning alcoholic (until he was not 'functioning') and everyone who met him in social settings where everyone had a few drinks (nights out, holidays etc) thought he was lovely but people who had to deal with him in day to day situations saw a different side to him. Right up to the point where he became very unwell he had loads of friends who were adamant that he did not have a drink problem as he didn't drink until he was drunk/didn't drink more than them etc. What they didn't realise was that he was so used to drink that it took a lot for him to appear drunk and if they went out for an evening he would drink before he arrived and have extra 'secret drinks'. They also didn't see the fact that he drank every day and often had to change plans to accommodate his drinking (either because he was sleeping it off/unwell or to make sure he had access to drinks). I think it's possible that John is a bit like this and MIL is trying to cover for him (as my family member's wife did for years).

FrustratedMumHelp · 20/11/2023 10:58

Im not sure. Youve never met him before and it could go either way. Im not sure id want a strange guy over Christmas day who has been in the pub all day. Plus, its a bit CF that they refuse to meet up all this time but because they cba to cook Christmas dinner, they will pop in to eat then fuck off to leave you to clear up

readingmakesmehappy · 20/11/2023 11:00

AncientBallerina · 20/11/2023 10:16

Agree - I would not have a man I’ve never met eating at my house on Christmas Day after several hours in the pub. Awful. Your DH is absolutely right to put his foot down. Have your Lunch at the time that suits you and let them ‘get fed’ somewhere else.

Absolutely this. You meet him before Christmas or he's not coming round then.

GG1986 · 20/11/2023 11:41

Absolutely I would say no. She's making it all very convenient for her! Just say after 3 years you don't wish to meet John for the first time on Xmas day as you want a relaxing day and for the kids to be relaxed at the dinner table eating their Xmas dinner.

MacarenaMacarena · 20/11/2023 11:56

Tell MIL you'd be interested to meet John in the next week or 2, to decide if you'd like to invite him for Christmas.

diddl · 20/11/2023 13:24

I wouldn't entertain it at all tbh.

She won't be on her own.

She'll be at work then can eat with John afterwards.

Doesn't have to be a Christmas meal if neither of them can be bothered.

I wouldn't even be saying that they are both welcome if you meet him first.

Doesn't sound as if they are bothered about seeing you-just want food!

Concannon88 · 20/11/2023 13:34

So you're finally getting what you want, to meet john and your husband is now unhappy with that arrangement? She sound just like my own selfish mother who prioritises her relationship with her husband over the rest of the family. It's very cringe. But I dont really know what advice you want, make her care more? It's not going to happen.

SleepingBeautySnores · 23/12/2023 00:01

I think in your DH's shoes I'd probably tell my DM that if me and my family weren't good enough for John to meet in the 3 years they've been seeing each other, then I don't want to waste a single moment of my Christmas Day bothering to meet HIM!

She's obviously survived being with him for this long, so why bother meeting him at all? Your DH might have wanted to meet him because he feels protective of his Mum and wants to know what sort of bloke he is, but she's not allowed him to do that up until now, so I'd just let them get on with it, and if at any other point she decides she wants to bring him round to meet you, just say 'No mother, you're welcome but John's not'. Give her a taste of her own medicine!

StaunchMomma · 23/12/2023 01:19

It would be a firm no from me.

He hasn't wanted anything to do with you for 3 years and only wants to now because MIL can't slave all morning and he's not prepared to wait for her to cook after she gets home. It sounds like they literally want to eat and go.

Fuck. THAT!

YireosDodeAver · 23/12/2023 04:49

Bit of a zombie thrread but what did your DH decide to do @Inyourwildestdreams ?

autienotnaughty · 23/12/2023 06:39

Tbh I would want to meet him as I'd be concerned for your mil so I think I would suck it up. He sounds controlling and could be abusive.

pyjamalife · 23/12/2023 07:23

I believe I read all up to OPs first reply (skimmed most) but also couldn't see anyone pull up:

He wants to go to the pub for a few hours, then meet your pre-school kids for the first time? No thanks, beer breath!

Anyway, as it's a resurrected, month-old thread, I am also curious of the outcome 😂 Go OP's husband for having a backbone!

semantlename · 23/12/2023 07:25

AncientBallerina · 20/11/2023 10:16

Agree - I would not have a man I’ve never met eating at my house on Christmas Day after several hours in the pub. Awful. Your DH is absolutely right to put his foot down. Have your Lunch at the time that suits you and let them ‘get fed’ somewhere else.

Ok, I found the pub comment - I didn't get that far through as saw it was a zombie and wanted to see the updates.

Moonshine5 · 23/12/2023 07:38

If it was the other way around and an adult child wanted to keep their private life private I think that would be fine.
It's nice his parent has her own life. Your DH is entitled to his opinion but I think Christmas might be a good time to meet up briefly. Support your husband but don't say anything.

Moonshine5 · 23/12/2023 07:39

Zombie thread

readingmakesmehappy · 03/01/2024 11:31

What did you do in the end OP?

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