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PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 14:43

Need to know if other people experience this, or if it's just me?
I'm in the upper age limit of primary school years. 2 DC in upper KS2.
For DS birthday I took him and a group of friends out to a local theme park for the day. 1 mum texted me 30 mins before leaving to say what do I need to send with my kid. I replied - only a water bottle and a warm hoodie, nothing else as everything else is covered by us, food etc, and the entrance fee has already been pre-booked and paid for by us. I had already covered this information in my invite, but I accept that people read and then forget by the time the date comes round. The mum replied ok, thanks. 5 mins before we were due to leave, the mum texted again and said sorry, Sam can't come now, he's suddenly not feeling well. She said I'll pay for his entrance fee. At school pick up the next week i overheard Sam talking loudly to another kid that he went swimming on Saturday, the day of my DS's themepark birthday day out. He was animatedly telling the other kid about it, the flumes, etc and about how he had a McDonald's afterwards. He didn't notice me standing there listening. The mum never has paid me for his wasted entrance fee and has never mentioned it again.
Another kid came round to ours recently to play with my DS. This kid is 11 years old. Whilst here, he threw an almighty temper tantrum. No-one knew what it was about. He went from laughing and mucking about in the garden with my DS, to suddenly shouting, yelling, out of the blue, I witnessed it, there was nothing that happened to cause his tantrum. I was shocked to see it. He went out of control like a 2 year old's tantrum. It had all been convivial. His mum and me were sitting in my garden drinking tea and chatting. Kids were laughing and playing in garden. I'd just made a massive effort with a table full of lovely food that I'd cooked - all favourite things of the kid we'd invited round, I'd checked with his mum beforehand about what are his favourite foods and I made them all for us all to enjoy together. Plus i made lovely deserts. Then he spontaneously tantrumed, ran in to my house, trashed my DS's bedroom, threw a photo frame of my DS as a toddler across his room, my DS exclaimed "You've cracked it!!!" And the kid shouted "Good!!!" Then he kicked over my DS's really expensive toy crane and broke it, then ran into my little DD's bedroom and trashed it and TORE THE HEAD OFF OF HER NEW DOLL that she'd literally just been given as a present the week before which she was in love with, he tore it off! Then laughed at her when she burst into tears and then threw all her cuddly toys down the stairs and kicked them all over the place. DD was crying her eyes out. I mean, he was going off his head and started screaming "GET ME HOME! GET ME HOME!" to his mum. It was mayhem. My DS looked shell-shocked and was on his knees trying to repair his broken crane and worrying about his cracked photo frame. I was trying to console my DD and was in shock at what had been done to her new doll and the fact that my house had been trashed by this yelling 11 year old. The mum said "Ohhhh, sweetie, has something upset you? There, there, it's ok, are you sad? Tell me sweetie, it's ok...."
I was thinking "It's not fucking ok".
She said they ought to leave, and left without any, and I mean any, apology.
Next day the mum texted and said can I send her the details of the doll her DS broke and she'll replace it. I thought OK, I'm pissed off but at least you're doing the right thing by replacing the broken doll. So I sent her a link immediately. That was the last I heard. She never did replace it and I've never heard from her since. I've texted twice and got no reply.
So I've replaced the doll myself, which was expensive.
Another time, my younger DD had a friend round. The mum stayed for coffee. DD and friend were playing on the floor with a Sylvanian caravan which had been newly bought by me, anyone who knows Sylvanians knows they are expensive. Then I heard a loud "SNAP" and DD cried out "Oh you've broken my caravan!" I went to look. Indeed, the child had snapped the entire caravan door and completely broken off the hinges, all completely snapped broken. I picked it up to examine the damage and whilst I tried not to make a scene, I could feel my expression must have looked a bit upset....I'd saved up for that caravan. The child said NOTHING by way of an apology. Then the mum looked at it and merrily said "Oh don't worry! You can easily just glue it back together again!" And smiled happily at her kid. NO APOLOGY given by the mum to my DD or to me. Then they ate our food and went home. I never could repair it with glue, the hinges had snapped into little pieces and was unrepairable. DD has never been able to use it since. The mum has never mentioned it since.
Another kid came over. He played with my DS's remote control car. He purposely kept the control handset pushed on at fastest speed whilst gripping the wheels of the car to stop them from spinning round, DS kept telling him to stop, I told him to stop, he didn't stop, then the motor made a fizzling noise and the whole car and handset died. He'd burnt the motor out. Dead. Broken. His mum witnessed the whole thing, then smiled serenely at her kid and said in a singsong voice "Well now Ted, that's what happens when we're rough with toys! Let's learn from that shall we!" They left with no apology and no replacement of the broken car.
Another mum has been texting me relentlessly to complain that our 2 children had a squabble at school and that she wants us to sort it out together and support them and 'counsel them through their fallout'. WTF? They were playing together again the next day! Which I've said. But she won't stop texting me to say we still need to counsel them so that they can learn and develop and so we can "build in measures to ensure they don't fall out again". But they will fall out again. Because kids fall out. She made it clear she didn't like it when I said that though. I've had numerous texts from her about it. She fully admits it's not my DC's fault, she says she wants her DC to learn from fall outs.
I could go on for 2 or 3 pages with endless examples.
In my own world, with friends of my own who are not 'mum' friends, life is nothing like this. Myself and my long term friends all have strong value systems. Moral codes. A strong sense of responsibility. In any one of the above situations, I would have been profusely apologising and instantly replacing the broken stuff. So would all of my friends. I would have been helping to tidy up the trashed house. I would have been making my DC apologise. I would have gone round the next day with flowers in all the above situations. I would never be hassling a mum with texts insisting we counsel our children after a basic uncomplicated fall out when they were friends again the next day. None of my friends would do that either.
I feel like I've stepped into some sort of weird twilight world where no-one reacts in a real life way.
Help!

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Starrydream · 18/11/2023 14:52

You’ve definitely had a run of bad luck with poorly behaved visitors! If my DC had behaved badly / broken toys etc (whether deliberately or not) I would absolutely be apologising profusely and replacing the items immediately.

In future put all toys that are valuable or have sentimental value away in your bedroom and close the door. Make it clear to all children that they don’t enter your room. Even better, have play dates at the local park.

Xmaspenguin · 18/11/2023 14:54

I didn't even read the full post.

You don't leave the expensive, cherished and irreplaceable stuff out when other kids come around. It gets locked in your room.

goodkidsmaadhouse · 18/11/2023 14:58

Never had any experience remotely similar. Always had grateful kids and parents at parties. All had sweet and generally well behaved kids at play dates (with the odd bit of hyped up crazy behaviour which would be just as much my own kids’ fault).
so yes I think you’ve stepped into a twilight zone Grin

CaptainJackSparrow85 · 18/11/2023 15:00

You’ve definitely had a bad run of luck. I’ve never had even one experience even vaguely like that, let alone several in a row.

OdeToBarney · 18/11/2023 15:00

Xmaspenguin · 18/11/2023 14:54

I didn't even read the full post.

You don't leave the expensive, cherished and irreplaceable stuff out when other kids come around. It gets locked in your room.

But you shouldn't have to, should you? Admittedly, we're not into play dates yet as DD is too young, but threads like this make me dread that stage. Of course your kid is going to want to play with/show their friends their favourite toys. In what world is it normal for other kids/parents to behave like this? 😫 I certainly never did!

fishshop · 18/11/2023 15:03

Literally have never had encounter like that where people fuck up my house.

did you say anything of the following?

’oh can you send me money for the wasted entry?’

’I’m going to ask you to leave now, this behaviour is unacceptable. I’d appreciate it if you replaced the doll.

’unfortunately, tania, it can’t be glued back together. She was very rough and purposely destructive and it’s damaged beyond repair- so we won’t be having her back to play’

if not- they are probably sensing you’re a pushover which is why they don’t care

CurlewKate · 18/11/2023 15:03

Was it Halloween, perchance?

FuckingHellAdele · 18/11/2023 15:09

Absolute bollocks.

TorringtonDean · 18/11/2023 15:10

The kid who had the tantrum must have some serious behavioural issues. I feel sorry for his mum who was probably mortified and may be struggling at home. I wonder if she needs some support?

Otherwise they seem pretty ill-mannered. Buying theme park tickets for an outing in advance is a huge gamble. They are so expensive and someone is bound to be a no-show. I’ve wasted money before on cinema tickets for kids who suddenly remember they were playing in a football match or something! It’s not worth the risk. School friends are not really good friends!

Fizbosshoes · 18/11/2023 15:11

It sounds very unlucky, but also stressful that these are presumably kids your children have chosen as friends to come and play , so there's the disappointment that their friend has behaved in a destructive way and the broken items!

My kids are teens and I've never thought to lock away nice toys, because I wouldn't be expecting other children to break them. I'm surprised the other mums haven't covered the expenses they mentioned.

Familiaritybreedscontemptso · 18/11/2023 15:15

My kids have friends over all the time and I’ve never had anything like this happen. You’ve been very unlucky indeed.

distinctpossibility · 18/11/2023 15:23

You've been really really unlucky. I've had 12 years and counting of kids coming round and nothing broken like that. When they were 3 my kid and her little mate broke into the Christmas presents under the tree (luckily just small gifts I'd wrapped for family) and ate 3 chocolate Santas between them before being discovered. We had had a rather precarious curtain pole brought down but that was 11 kids and lots of horseplay. I've also had one cupcake crumbled onto the kitchen floor which I made the child in question sweep up. So I do understand these things happen but it sounds like a particularly clumsy group of kids and a ridiculously passive group of mums. Do you ever tell their kids off? Me and my friends definitely do.

Sapphire387 · 18/11/2023 15:33

I haven't experienced anything like this. Even at my son's rowdy birthday parties with 15 boys aged 7-8. There has been mess, yes, but not wanton destruction.

Yanbu, what you describe is awful behaviour. By the kids AND the parents.

C8H10N4O2 · 18/11/2023 15:38

Well that was a couple of minutes I won't get back

PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 15:43

Hmm, no, I don't tell THEIR kids off....because in every situation their mum has been right there in the room.
These are well educated mothers.
It's bizarre.
Oh the posts telling me to lock stuff in my bedroom, I did just that! We'd had all these disastrous play dates, so before the next one with yet another different kid, I got my DC to put all treasured or expensive stuff on to my bed. I shut the door (admittedly no lock, I don't have a lock on my bedroom door).
I said to the kid "You are not allowed to go into my bedroom ". I said to his mum "I've said they're not to go into my bedroom cos there's stuff in there I don't want them to play with". An hour later, the kid had gone into my room, had THROWN every single thing off my bed that I'd put on there for safe keeping onto the floor and was jumping up and down on my double bed. My DC alerted me to this. I walked in and said "James! I said you mustn't come in here!" He laughed hysterically and wouldn’t come out. My duvet and pillows were all over the floor. I was furious, he wouldn’t listen to me so I went and got his mum. She came upstairs and gently, sweetly, asked him very nicely to come out of the room. It took her 45 mins to get him out by sweetly, plaintively asking. I left her to it. They eventually left my house with no apology. I went back upstairs to my bedroom expecting her to have tidied it up. Nope. My duvet and pillows were still on the floor, along with everything else. I spent 30 mins tidying my room. Then I remembered, my DD had left her 1st baby tooth thstchad come out that morning under MY pillow for the tooth fairies earlier that day. I checked....and it was gone. Vanished. Lost in the mayhem of him trashing my bed and jumping all over it. I searched everywhere for her tooth, I pulled off the mattress, I pulled out the bedframe, I looked in the bedlinen.....I never did find it. It broke my heart. Still does. It was so sentimental to me.

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Strugglingtodomybest · 18/11/2023 15:48

Gosh you are very unlucky.

I find it strange enough that you're having 11 year olds round to play with their mums without adding in all the bad behaviour!

At 11, my boys would have cringed themselves inside out at having me go to their friends houses with them.

Not the point of the thread, but still.

PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 15:51

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Please believe me.
I swear to you I am not making this stuff up.
Another time a little girl came over, aged 8. She climbed into my DD's floor to ceiling built in wardrobe, climbed up on the shelves, and literally pulled off every single solitary thing out of my DD's wardrobe shelves and threw it ALL OVER HER FLOOR then pulled her canopy out of the ceiling that hangs over her bed!!!
The floor was a sea of wardrobe contents and torn canopy material.
My DD was distraught.
Honestly, I've got even more examples than this!!!

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TorringtonDean · 18/11/2023 15:52

Sounds like a lot of these kids have ADHD.

LadyMacB · 18/11/2023 15:55

Xmaspenguin · 18/11/2023 14:54

I didn't even read the full post.

You don't leave the expensive, cherished and irreplaceable stuff out when other kids come around. It gets locked in your room.

Absolutely. This is definitely the OP’s fault….. 🤔

PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 15:57

Strugglingtodomybest · 18/11/2023 15:48

Gosh you are very unlucky.

I find it strange enough that you're having 11 year olds round to play with their mums without adding in all the bad behaviour!

At 11, my boys would have cringed themselves inside out at having me go to their friends houses with them.

Not the point of the thread, but still.

You're quick to judge.
I am friends with the mum. We go for coffee, walks, etc. together. It was supposed to be a nice opportunity for us to catch up and see each other. There were also 2 little children involved at that occasion and she wanted to stay with her little child who was playing with my little child.
Not the point of the thread, but still.

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BabaYagasLittleSister · 18/11/2023 15:59

I think you need to stop inviting people over! Seriously, I hardly ever do! And the people I do invite over I'm personally close with.

JaniceBattersby · 18/11/2023 16:01

This is strange. I have four boys with some incredibly fiery mates and yet the worst that’s ever happened outside of the usual squabbles is a boy wrote his name on the wall in pencil so I painted over it.

I don’t tend to invite the parents over tbh so I can freely give the kids a bollocking if they’re being really naughty.

Bbq1 · 18/11/2023 16:05

FuckingHellAdele · 18/11/2023 15:09

Absolute bollocks.

Yep. Didn't happen

WhatHaveIDoneNo3 · 18/11/2023 16:08

I lived in an affluent area for a while…. The more educated/affluent the parents were the less control they had on their kids. They saw their kids as little darlings, babied them and generally let them run amok 🙈

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